View Poll Results: Would you like to see a Cruze SS produced?
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*** GM Performance Cruze SS *** What would u like to see?
didn't the 2.4T in the NSRT-4 make like 253HP VS the LSJ 205-211hp stock?
And doesn't the 2.4T in the CSRT-4 make 285hp and 265 ft lbs of torque?
In which regards are we talking about making less power?
"This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.
If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!"
Doesn't this also put more stress on the engine and most of the internals? I'm talking about every day long term practical driving...
And doesn't the 2.4T in the CSRT-4 make 285hp and 265 ft lbs of torque?
In which regards are we talking about making less power?
"This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.
If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!"
Doesn't this also put more stress on the engine and most of the internals? I'm talking about every day long term practical driving...
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didn't the 2.4T in the NSRT-4 make like 253HP VS the LSJ 205-211hp stock?
And doesn't the 2.4T in the CSRT-4 make 285hp and 265 ft lbs of torque vs the LNF rated at 260HP and 260 ft lbs torque @ the crank?
In which regards are we talking about making less power?
"This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.
If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!"
Doesn't this also put more stress on the engine and most of the internals? I'm talking about every day long term practical driving...
And doesn't the 2.4T in the CSRT-4 make 285hp and 265 ft lbs of torque vs the LNF rated at 260HP and 260 ft lbs torque @ the crank?
In which regards are we talking about making less power?
"This is a common formula applied by GM Racing (as well as GM's OEM forced induction engines). A shorter stroke pays dividends at high power by stiffening the crankshaft (as compared to a longer stroke crank) and also reducing centrigifugal stresses at high RPM. We are essentially exchanging engine displacement for more power via more cycles per minute @ higher RPM. It's a worthy tradeoff for power and durability.
If you want to see this concept pushed to its highest, check out Formula One engines that buzz 18,000 - 19,000 RPM. They have almost no stroke at all!"
Doesn't this also put more stress on the engine and most of the internals? I'm talking about every day long term practical driving...
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GM is coming out with a brand new 2.3L Direct injection NA engine--2010 Equinox is getting it to start.
Power has not been published yet but 210hp has been tossed around. Now if this makes it into the Cobalt--or Cruze remains to be seen,
Some people are completley mistaken that the only people who want power are enthusiasts---and anyone that wants an automatic is hardcore in drag racing. Learn to broaden your horizons.
They are probably the same ones who didn't want a 4dr SS.
Many ordinary folk--would find a 2.2L auto Cobalt totally inadeqaute (my wife for one---she likes some power and my 2.4L Cobalt doesn't do it for her--she likes the 3.5L Honda powered Vue which can spank me)--and automatic Turbo Cruze would allow them to buy GM---which should be the foremost concern of anyone posting here---to get more people to buy GM!! Give people a choice--an advantage over competitors.
GM's lovin' the DI.
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It is the new injection system... so why not?
That doesn't surprise me too much. Saturns new SUV has the 3.5? i believe direct injected v6 in a larger suv than the equinox
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i for one wouldnt mind an auto cruze SS....i like my auto...i'd prefer it have some sort of triptronic mode or something, but i love my car like none other...the only complaint i have is that my auto is a 4sp not a 5sp...i dont care if theres a clutch or not.
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Honestly...LSD standard and the option to get it with manual locks/windows and have a lightweight wheel option (preferably 17s).
They DEFINITELY need to do it though. The Cobalt SS is the only thing that kept me at GM. I prefer the smaller cars but without a performance model I'd go elsewhere to another car manufacturer for sure.
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Well I may get some negative comments regarding this.... But seeing that GM seems to be using some of their "Z" monikers back like Chevy has done with the ZO6, and revived ZR1 and hopefully the Camaro "Z28" why not keep the SS for the V8 Camaro and bring back the Z moniker for the Cruze?
Maybe a "Cruze "Z26" or something like that?
Maybe a "Cruze "Z26" or something like that?
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Haha, like the Beretta Z26? Ehh, no thanks, I would rather have a SS trim.Or atleast a "Z" trim that hasn't been used before that reminds me of not so great things.
I'm sure they will go with DI as it reduces emisions or so I've heard.
I'm sure they will go with DI as it reduces emisions or so I've heard.
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AWD or RWD. Stop with this wrong wheel drive nonsense. Preferably AWD.
Edit: Nevermind saw what you put in the first post.
A HUD would be nice. For those who dont know what HUD is, it's a Heads Up Display.
Edit: Nevermind saw what you put in the first post.
A HUD would be nice. For those who dont know what HUD is, it's a Heads Up Display.
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That's what we're all saying! Yeah, doubt we'll ever see it offered in RWD, that's what the Camaro is for, but AWD would be awesome.
I wish I knew where the article was, it was like on GMinsidernews.com or something but an engineer was talking about how they considered it for the 08+ Cobalt SS, but quickly dismissed it due to it costing too much...
However with the merging of the new Delta platform, I believe the 9-3 is being moved on it and it'll have an AWD option of course so maybe we could see one. It won't come cheap though that I know.
I wish I knew where the article was, it was like on GMinsidernews.com or something but an engineer was talking about how they considered it for the 08+ Cobalt SS, but quickly dismissed it due to it costing too much...
However with the merging of the new Delta platform, I believe the 9-3 is being moved on it and it'll have an AWD option of course so maybe we could see one. It won't come cheap though that I know.
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That's what we're all saying! Yeah, doubt we'll ever see it offered in RWD, that's what the Camaro is for, but AWD would be awesome.
I wish I knew where the article was, it was like on GMinsidernews.com or something but an engineer was talking about how they considered it for the 08+ Cobalt SS, but quickly dismissed it due to it costing too much...
However with the merging of the new Delta platform, I believe the 9-3 is being moved on it and it'll have an AWD option of course so maybe we could see one. It won't come cheap though that I know.
I wish I knew where the article was, it was like on GMinsidernews.com or something but an engineer was talking about how they considered it for the 08+ Cobalt SS, but quickly dismissed it due to it costing too much...
However with the merging of the new Delta platform, I believe the 9-3 is being moved on it and it'll have an AWD option of course so maybe we could see one. It won't come cheap though that I know.
