very ugly car...

 

laff

 

Anybody actually sit their Cobalt coupe next to a 01-05 Civic? Very similar lines, but the Cobalt is rounder while the Civic is squared.

 

ill believe it when i see it.... this whole forum gets all huffy over a bunch of stuff most of which never happens

 

Who knows I know people back then (ie my dad) with roadrunners, mustangs, and chargers etc didnt think they would be worth anything today. The ss/sc changed GMs tuner seen for the best and they just keep getting better who knows. I know there are only 1,165 2006 black ss/sc's made so I do own a rare car.

 

ford killed the taurus and made the five hundred. when they found out it would sell they changed the name back to taurus. IDk. we'll see. IMO it looks like it has torrent headlights, maybe even a TSX

 

Yeah I don't consider the HHR a SUV at all. It's more of a wagon than a SUV.

 

American axle is working on an AWD system for the cobalts

 

haha, i did too. I even sat in a new Civic. I can't get in, unless i put my legs in, sit on the chair, then duck bigtime to clear the low slung roof. And awful interior too. The exterior is snazzy though.

Cobalt replacment eh... looks pretty cool, for a sedan.

 

It's called name recognition. Although the Cavalier was a technoligical dinosaur, every knew what one was. Just like the Civic, Impala, and VW Beetle nameplates....everybody knows exactly what they are and stand for. Killing off the Cobalt after a single generation just to start fresh completely kills and model loyalty for current owners, as well as confuses the general public looking into buying new cars.

There was even some slight backlash when GM pulled the carpet from under the Cavalier nameplate, for the same reason. But in my opinion, that was because GM wanted to start anew with a fresh name to erase memories of how out-of-date the Cavy really was. Even if the Cavalier was indeed replaced and was better than the current benchmark, the Civic, it would've had a terrible time living down it's questionable legacy.

 

If they go so far as to name it the Nubria, count me out. First of, it sounds like something I'd name a cheap Korean econobox.

If they are getting rid of the nameplate, to say, revive an older one, maybe.

I'm not saying I'd like to see Cavalier revived, as its synonymous with cheap, budget, and rental fleet. However, if they were to say, bring back the Nova nameplate, I'd be perfectly happy. After all, the Nova was Chevrolet's compact (if you could call it that) car back in the 60's.

I mean sure, its not the scamp RWD monster that it used to be, but honestly, Mailbu is FWD, Impala is FWD, and those cars were all RWD back in their day.

Needless to say I'm not happy to see "Cobalt" go, as its a fresh name, without any baggage.

 

They did bring back the Nova once, horrible. As for the Impala it's back to RWD on the Zeta platform real soon.

 

I was under the impression that the Impala was staying FWD until 2012 at the minimum. I think Lutz let the cat out of the bag that most of the Zeta RWD variants (Camaro & G8) aside, were on hold due to the CAFE standards that were just recently thrown at them. As much as that bothers me, I think its the right call.

The last thing GM needs to be doing right now is investing into large, heavy, RWD cars. Its bad enough they bet the farm on the GMT-900's. Although they were class leading, it was the wrong product at the wrong time. I think the same is true with Zeta. Sure, its cool to have the Camaro back, but its really not what this company needs right now.

GM needs to get past the stigma that size equals quality. You should be able to buy a Cobalt sized car, that can be loaded to the gills, and be just as luxurious as an Escalade. Until we get past the prerequisite that a only big cars can be nice, and that small cars need to be cheap and economical, the Toyota's of the world will continue to eat away at the market share.

I'm not saying price the new Delta II chassis out of most peoples hands, but you should be able to get anything from a stripped out base model, to a loaded to the gills LTZ model. It seems nowadays that you have to buy a bigger car to get a "nice" car, and that way of thinking needs to end.

 

[QUOTE=Gturismo1;2536141]I was under the impression that the Impala was staying FWD until 2012 at the minimum. I think Lutz let the cat out of the bag that most of the Zeta RWD variants (Camaro & G8) aside, were on hold due to the CAFE standards that were just recently thrown at them. As much as that bothers me, I think its the right call.

The last thing GM needs to be doing right now is investing into large, heavy, RWD cars. Its bad enough they bet the farm on the GMT-900's. Although they were class leading, it was the wrong product at the wrong time. I think the same is true with Zeta. Sure, its cool to have the Camaro back, but its really not what this company needs right now.QUOTE]

Turismo, you're absolutely right. Motor Trend reported in a recent issue that the Impala will stay FWD till 2011 or 2012. Apparently, sales are strong enough that they didn't figure they needed to mess with anything at this point. Plus with the new CAFE standards, it doesn't make sense for GM to invest vast quantities of money and resources that will only bring their corporate fuel economy down. The only question now is, how long will the Impala survive in its current state considering the new Malibu is almost infringing on the same size range? But as long as sales of each don't start to cannibalize each other, they'll both be around for a while.

 

1.0 litre turbo engines... wtf?

 

I'm personally thinking, and this is just based my thoughts if I were running GM, that Epsilon II is what they should be dumping their cash into (along with Delta II).

There are quite a bit of rumours that although the Impala was slated for Zeta, it may end up on a variant of Epsilon II. And I'm fine with that, especially given the fact that Ep-II is supposed to be FWD/AWD. I think that the Malibu may go on a slight diet come 2012, and might help differentiate it from the Impala size-wise when the new model hits showroom floors.

I would much rather see GM invest loads of money into Ep-II then split it up for Zeta sedans that really have no future in our current petro-economic situation.

GM has really been missing more than its been hitting when it comes to investing in platforms. The Lambdas being the recent exception to that. When GM decides to use a platform, they should think about the situation 5-10 years down the road, not whats popular now. If they would have, they wouldn't have dumped the money they had into Zeta and GMT-900, two platforms that support vehicles that will be for the most part, non fuel economic cars.

I want to see the General succeed, although, I really think they need a shakeup in the upper ranks. The only people I'd save from that are Bob Lutz and Ed Welburn, who I think are two of the biggest "car-guys" in the company. But people like Wagoner, who have consistently bet on the wrong horse, need to go. They need a CEO who knows how to predict where the market will be.

It's like that Wayne Gretzsky quote, to paraphrase, "I skate to where the puck is going to be". It sums it up nicely, GM is always developing in the current state of the market, not where it will be when the car actually debuts. But I hold out hope that somewhere in GM, a renaissance is taking place, and the old way of thinking is on the way out.

 

looks like a malibu.

 

ITS..... Not Fuglie But it has that look that says Old people and poor young women drivers wanted. Its the boring sister of the chevy family.

 

awd more power makes sense to me, but gm wont get there head out of there ass long enough to do so. hell they kept the camero off the market for years so the mustang took an even biger lead undistputed. I love the cobalt cars they are great cars but lets face it they have not been around long enough to gain any real recognition. In otherwords GM never gave it a chance. This car could be on the same level as the evos wrx's, gtis and honda. i personaly would like to see more of them in more arenas of competition.

 

AWD would escalate the cost of this car out of it's targeted price range. Think about it, how many people are going to dish out $30K + for a Cobalt, no matter how good it is?

 

Personally IMHO, AWD should not cost that much more. A regular WRX is something like $25,000 with its 2.4L Turboed boxer engine... So why can't a cobalt with AWD and a normal inline engine be kept around that price. I would buy a cobalt over a WRX anyday if it had AWD. i have gotten lots of comments from people, both younger kids and grown and mature adults that think my 2.4L Cobalt is a nice car.There is no reason though, why GM can't keep the cobalt name.

COBALT does have a name and I'm sure it has hurt other companies like subaru and dodge (SRT-4's) and ford especially. I don't think ford has FI on anything but the Cobra mustangs, right or wrong? I think the Camaro project needs to continue, same with the Volt. That Volt will be an awesome ride, and if we get more people using less fuel, prices will either drop a little or stop rising, just like they did in the past. history repeats itself, no matter what the situation is. So for now lets bare with the high prices and buy the more fuel efficient vehicles, move closer to work, car pool, drive less, or whatever makes you happy. That should help keep gas prices low and car companies from discontinuing cars like the Cobalt. But as a nother member mentioned a few posts earlier, don't take this so seriously. If it happens, then it does but don't get worked up over it.

I agree with some of the posts from the beginning, the cobalt sure can be a collector car if you keep it well maintained. Keep those G85's and turbo balts in good condition.

I like that Malibu a lot and if I could I would buy one with that cadillac engine in it. It is getting kinda big like the Impala but it still gets around 34MPG. I pulled that off with one of the loaners I had, so I know they are good on gas. I don't like the Impala as much, but I guess that's personal preference.

 

hey **** you *******

 

The Chevy Cobalt will die and its remains will be raped into a Chevy Cruze...
This is sad

 

 

Dont forget about Ford removing the Crown Victoria to the Extinct list this year I belive