Boring Vs. the outrageous excitement of the current Cobalt LS sedan? Who drives those? I see mostly old people and poor young women. (Poor middle aged guys like me drive LS Coupes

 

Since someone brought up Subaru AWD, what I briefly read is that its the boxer motor that keeps the cost of the AWD tranny down since it takes a touch less space. Whats being asked is for GM to make a flat-4 or a flat-6 as well as a sporty AWD tranny...which very few companies do. Only two I can think of are in fact Porsche and Subaru.

 

bump

 

just because this car is coming out and they thought about calling it a cobalt, doesnt really mean the cobalt is going bye bye, if they call this car something else, there might still be a cobalt

i dont see them making the ss/tc for 2 years (technically 1 1/4 years)

 

Looks like an oversized Aveo..

 

Looks European, I like it! Hopefully it will drive like a honda fit or something and not a cheap econocar (even if it is!).

 

fixed

 

 

they should call it the "Nissan Sentra"

because that is what it looks like

 

ha... death of cobalt? About time too. Such a horribly designed car, never had so many problems with a car in my life.

Terrible transmissions (getrag)
Engine leaks like crazy, typical of ecotecs
car leaks water from the factory when it rains
poor quality suspension components and steering system
poor quality interior (cheap plastic feel inside, cheap carpet, low quality seats) and very poor quality exterior of the car... Paint and body is extremely easy to damage (dents if you hit a june bug). Clearcoat and paint easily scratches, and the panels also rust pretty quickly because of the poor quality paint.

Cruze will be right up there with problems... South Korean cars are FAMOUS for tons of problems.

Time for GM to do R&D here and make a quality car instead of bringing in all these cheap imports, building them here and reselling them with a bowtie on it.

 

What is wrong with GM leveraging their global design and engineering talent to deliver a world class product? Sad fact of the matter is GM North America doesn't have a foot to stand on when it comes to designing small cars. However, their subsidiaries in Europe and Asia have been making nothing but. So who would you want designing your next small car, the people that brought you the Cavalier, or the people that brought you the Astra.

Europeans and Asians get small cars, look at recent auto sales for your proof. GM would be stupid not to use Opel or Daewoo in their small car design teams. And last time I checked, the chassis that underpinned the Camaro was designed not in America, but in Australia. Are you going to call those cars crap because they were engineered somewhere else, yet built in North America?

GM is a global company now, and they are finally beginning to leverage their global talent pool to their advantage. Making one chassis that you can build multiple variants around the world delivers massive cost savings to the company. Look at the Zeta, Lambda, Delta II, and Epsilon II as platforms that will spawn multiple models around the world, saving GM much research and development dollars. This will allow them to funnel more money into designing one solid chassis that underpins many cars, instead of many mediocre chassis to produce the same number of models.

And where does your admiration and trust come from that GM North America can design a quality small car? What car have they ever delivered us that was head of its class? No, I think I'll definitely take the global effort over the local effort.

And its unfortunate that you are having so many problems with your car. GM really does need to get their quality control in check. But having said that, to insinuate that the Cruze is going to be something akin to a mid-nineties Hyundai, well thats just ignorance to the N-th degree.

GM is finally realizing that small cars is where the market is going. Do you really think they are going to walk into that market without a car that can't seriously compete? Have a little faith, and realize that the GM of the past is not the GM of the future, mainly because the GM of the past has almost cost GM their future.

 

Very well said my friend. Assuming the Cruze will be crap just because of your bad Cobalt experience is like saying your future girlfriend will be terrible because your last relationship was hell.

 

Some of you need your heads examined.

 

i love my car its an 08 2.4 coup with the manual it is a great car. Saying it has cheap interior is a silly reason to knock a car i like its simplicity and feal.
Cobalt = Less money, more power, better quality. Believe me i mean this in a good way when i say that the cobalt could be the next chevette. You chevy guys know what im sayin

Oh and by the way the mitsudishi evo has all wheel drive with an inline four. They still bring top dollar and the cobalt can have the same impact. if i had the means i would try to mate an awd system from an acadia or something. i bet with some major efort it can be done

 

damn that was ugly

 

You DO realize that the ACTUAL pictures look better right?

 

If you like a low quality car, then kool. I thought it was an awesome car at the time when I was in the dealership, but shortly after buying it I became flooded with all sorts of problems.

But to compare a cobalt to a evo is apples to oranges. The precision in an evo is far more superior to the cheap engineering that was thrown together for the cobalt/ion/g5/pursuit/astra.

As far as how much it actually costs the company... i'd have to say mine has cost the dealership almost the price that I bought my car in warranty work. Seems that the cam seals are famous for goin south in a hurry, I've had them replaced (all 4) 4 times now and I'm sitting at 28k miles. I've had the interior replaced already, and the car has been repainted several times.

 

what year and model is your car your about the first one ive seen that had so much trouble. If it gets too bad they may even just replace the car. its worth asking about. just like the focus they never held up for long at all in the earlier years. same as the lancers and hondas. they all had issues. Thats why i ask what year it is.

 

people think i'm joking about this but i'm not... a friend and I decided one day to just go test drive a bunch of random cars, he really was looking for a car(ended up getting a '06 GTO) and we went to a lot of different dealers... we test drove some WRXs, some mustangs, a 350z, and finally we went to the Mitsu dealership, they were reluctant to let us drive an Evo X, but he finally talked them into it(thought the salesman went with us)... about a mile down the road, the salesman is like "you can get it a little gas here if you want", as we were sitting at a red light. So my buddy launches the car a little(not too hard) and goes to throw 2nd and the shifter breaks... I kid you not, the thing broke off in his hand...

some Mitsubishi quality right there, lol

 

The Astra is built cheaply? Since when?? Or did you just lump a bunch of cars together to make your post? I'm going to go with the latter.