Id love to believe that I have never owned a non gm car and i love them but when i see stuff like this

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/front-page-news-17/ss-v-series-vehicles-disbanded-156401/

it makes me wonder they cancelled everything even the new camaro Z28. Other than the corvette and the camaro SS what performance models will be left for the 2011 model year. If anything is close enough to devolpment to be released soon we would of heard about it.

lol hell yeah it is as long as you got stock in gold

 

ps...the car czar probably killed the C7...

 

just because gmpp was broken down doesn't mean they dont have those people working on performance versions... thats very naive to think that

 

It doesn't look good for anything that implies "performance" in the near future...

 

LOL, yeah and he only has three more years left in office.

 

I think that GM is eager to off the government loan. They know they made a mistake getting in bed with the government...Ford is running away fast and laughing all the way to the bank because they didn't take the poison pill from the white house...

 

The amount of some narrow mindedness in this thread is astounding.

GMPPD is dead yes, but do you REALLY think GM is done with enthusiast vehicles?

FFS the 2011 Regal will feature a 2.0T AND a stick shift.

Performance isn't dead @ GM and keep that political BS off this site.

 

Yeah but is it really naive I mean your telling me that they canceled all there performance models except for the camaro and the corvette and canceled there performance division and canceled all current projects that are currently started only to form some pseudo performance division 8 months later working behind closed doors to design completely new performance projects from scratch disguised as regular projects so they don't **** off the 60% controlling obama stake in the company. And when they said the performance engineers were put on regular projects they were lying and when they said they were going to focus on fuel- efficient cars and crossovers and also pledged to increase its current offering of six hybrids to 14 by 2012 and to 26 by 2014 and they said the engineers are moving into different areas to work on core products they were lying to.

OR

They were told not to make perfomance cars because making performance cars with tax payer money isn't very good PR for Mr. Obama

seriously which one is more naive. Once they get out of debt Im sure they will make performance versions but they straight up said the performance projects are on indefinate hold

 

Hey...what ever makes you happy...all I'm saying is that IT IS precisely because of politics, that GMPD got disbanded...who fired Rick Wagoner?

As long it remains "Government Motors", the chances of performance enthusiast vehicles having a business case remains slim...
It strange how things work in this administration...they lend tax payer money (not give) to GM and all of the sudden they're "owned" by the government...how would you like to have your mortgage company tell you which restaurant you can and cannot go to?

 

first yes I think GM is done with high performance cars UNTIL the goverment doesn't have 60% control over GM.

Second obviously politics is going to come into play when the goverment has 60% of GM.

3rd the buick regal is a 3600 pound fwd car with 220 hp that does 0-60 is 7.8 seconds that would put its quarter mile time somewhere in the high 15 second range-low 16 second range which is about the speed of a regular 2009 LAP 2.2 cobalt just because it has a turbo and comes in manual doesn't mean its an enthuisast vehicle.

 

the fact is that enthusiasts cars do sell---and GM is a business they will offer something to enthusiasts. If they don't--someone else will!! The LNF is not dead

 

People will buy this car. It's boring, appears to have a nice interior, and mileage. GM sold 200,000 Cobalts a year... and that's not because they offered an SS model.

 

^^^Are you really a LED guru? I love LEDs...

 

Sure.

 

Considering that only pre-production models have been tested, none of them with a stick mind you, I'm not sure where you're getting your #'s from...

 

Is there anyway they could just put the Cruze interior into my Sport? haha. 1.4L Turbo sounds weak.

 

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ive/index.html

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/23/2...l-first-drive/

http://jalopnik.com/5408766/2011-bui...al-first-drive

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2009...IEWS/311209998

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...l/engines.html

even if they are pre production models its not like these numbers are off at all a 3600 pound fwd car with 220hp is going to perform in that area. just like the 2900 pound 155 hp cobalt ls. A manual is not going to throw a car that runs mid 7's 0-60 into performance range. Its a nice car but if that's your example for GMs new enthuisiast's cars then GMHPV's are dead for now

 

1.4T is still for a base model. There will surely be a higher performing version.

 

Article says 1.4 turbo is for LT and LTZ

Makes sense considering the current cobalt situation

 

IMO they should have just offered the 1.4t for all the trims rather than offer the 1.8 for the base and the 1.4t for the rest.

 

did you even read the "first drives"---these were not insturmented tests

..."Buick's 0-60 claim is in the mid-7s, and that seems conservative.

...." GM says the combination should be good for a 0-60 mph time in the mid seven-second range (a couple of tenths quicker than a TSX), a claim that strikes us as totally believable – if not a mote pessimistic..."


All I am saying is it's too early to judge. And 16 sec in the 1/4? I REALLY doubt that.

It has a super flat TQ curve unlike the NA 2.2L

 

No. He didn't.

Not only that but a V series of the CTS wagon and coupe are coming out next year.

Performance vehicles aren't dead at GM.

 

I really want to know how you figure a 220 hp 3600 pound fwd runs faster than mid 7's 0-60 and yeah those are what 2 say what does the majority say. it will definatly be in the 15's it will be racing other ''enthuisiast'' cars like the honda civic lol come on seriously we both know to call that thing performance is a big stretch

The coupe was already near completion like the camaro so they didn't cancel them. What NEW project are they working on. in secret behind close doors because they disbanded the division and set up a secret hpv division right

read last paragraph
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/spi...-v_coupe-spied

The wagon AT THIS POINT is just a promise by bob lutz who also by the way promised the G8 would live again the caprice and would be sold to everybody remember

Honestly I AM a die hard general motors fan but I refuse to believe that they disbanded there HPV division and said they put there engineers on other more fuel efficiant projects and put the other performance projects on indefinate hold those are there words, only to open up a new HPV division in secret.

 

What do we call LT and LTZ Cobalts? Base models, because there is an SS Cobalt. There is no SS Cruze yet obviously, but a release said they were working on a "higher performance version", so for now I will call the 1.4/1.8 Cruzes base models.

 

CTS-V was wagon was confirmed and don't be surprised if you hear about a Chevy SS sedan coming soon