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Old 11-13-2006, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bdwarr6
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its not my welder and i dont know howto weld so dont hold it against me

would jb weld work?
Possibly, but it will not expand and contract like the aluminum and could spring a leak since it dries hard. Aluminum is hard to bond to since it is a "dirty" metal. Ask any welder. It only cost Blown 4-banger about $30 to have it welded by a pro.
Old 11-13-2006, 02:55 AM
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what is a good place to get it welded and big name places onestly dont know of any welding shops here localy
Old 11-13-2006, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bdwarr6
what is a good place to get it welded and big name places onestly dont know of any welding shops here localy
I don't know if there are any big national names in welding companies. You can always look up welders in the phone book and ask if they do TIG. Typically the aviation welders are the best. You might also look at custom radiator shops. They do good work aswell, that is who did Blown 4-bangers.
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i work at the airport so thats perfect!
Old 11-13-2006, 03:56 AM
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Sweet deal, that flow path answers all my questions. 2 inlets and 1 outlet on the endpiece, and the "Y" fitting off the pump to meet up with the two inlets. Easy day.

Now where can I source the 3/4 90degree barb? Is it an Earl's fitting?
Old 11-13-2006, 04:01 AM
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so correct me if im wrong you just adding in another lne from the pump to the intercooler correct?

just wanting to double check
Old 11-13-2006, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
Sweet deal, that flow path answers all my questions. 2 inlets and 1 outlet on the endpiece, and the "Y" fitting off the pump to meet up with the two inlets. Easy day.

Now where can I source the 3/4 90degree barb? Is it an Earl's fitting?
Yep, I got Earl's fittings. All though, you have to get a 90 1/2 NPT and a 3/4 hose barb and put them together, they don't have it in a single piece.
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what part do i need to pickup to stick int he intercooler actually will this one work?

http://www.holley.com/993304ERL.asp
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Stupid question, but here it goes. If the orginal setup runs through the first set of tubes then turns and runs through the second set of tubes and then leaves, how does splitting the liquid into two paths and only running them through one set of tubes make the coolant cooler? Am I missing something here?

EDIT: Nevermind, I answered my own question after doing a bunch of research.

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Old 11-13-2006, 05:29 PM
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Ok, I used a 90 degree NPT to AN fitting like this
Then used a female AN to hosebarb fitting.
Old 11-13-2006, 06:25 PM
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Meth is amazing. I run 26-27 deg timing advance w/ a 2.5" and after multiple WOT 140mph runs the blower is sweating and cold to the touch. IAT2's hover at 160deg period

I have logs around here somewhere
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i picked up the parts $80 for them all they had was a dam NOS brand Y fitting which was $53 i call it my flux capacitor
Old 11-13-2006, 07:33 PM
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Thats why I did a T fitting, the (metal) Y fittings are impossible to find. A also like the idea of using a T because it creates a little back pressure to keep the pump from being pushed too hard.
Old 11-13-2006, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by djt81185
Meth is amazing. I run 26-27 deg timing advance w/ a 2.5" and after multiple WOT 140mph runs the blower is sweating and cold to the touch. IAT2's hover at 160deg period

I have logs around here somewhere
160!?!? Thats pretty hot! So far people with the dual pass IC mod say their IAT2 rarly get above 130 even on hard runs. I wouldn't know mine because I don't have a scan gauge.
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Originally Posted by Blown 4-banger
160!?!? Thats pretty hot! So far people with the dual pass IC mod say their IAT2 rarly get above 130 even on hard runs. I wouldn't know mine because I don't have a scan gauge.

That was on the fourth 0-140 run back to back... temperature rise per run is under 10 degrees
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I officially retract my previous statement...
Old 11-13-2006, 08:09 PM
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ok i checked another log...started at 11 mph in 2nd gear iat2 started at 124..dipped to 109 and at 125 mph the iat2 was 147 iat1 stayed inbetween 55 and 57 degrees the whole time.

That run was 25 deg timing advance at 125 mph for some reason my rpm didnt log that run and I had 1 hit of KR at the top of 4th (125 mph)
Old 11-13-2006, 08:13 PM
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What other cooling mods do you have (HE, resevior tank etc.)?
Old 11-13-2006, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Blown 4-banger
What other cooling mods do you have (HE, resevior tank etc.)?
I have run a resivoir before but I had nothing at the time.

So my cooling mods where meth injection and like 80% water 20% dexcool
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And you weren't worried about the water/meth system failing for some odd reason during one of those runs? That possiblity of failure is the reason I decided to go with a HE and the dual pass IC mod.
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Originally Posted by Blown 4-banger
And you weren't worried about the water/meth system failing for some odd reason during one of those runs? That possiblity of failure is the reason I decided to go with a HE and the dual pass IC mod.
Nope this is my 20K+ a yr daily driver. I check the fluid everyday. The failure rate on the pumps they use is virtually nill and the progressive devilsown controller has a fault indicator built in. I'f your really worried u can get a flow indicator switch. Also the car only runs crazy timing under WOT and if I ran out it would revert to the stock low octane table. On the highway including palying with some cars I go thru less than 1 redline's windshield washer tank per tank of gas

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Where do you get the methanol from?
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Wal*Mart -20 Super Tech Windshield Washer Fluid
Old 11-14-2006, 12:58 AM
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Hmmm. I guess someone thought all my pictures and comments didn't belong in here. So much for trying to help people out.
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The main difference between the systems is with dual pass you will only increase the efficiency of the intercooler which is limited to its size and pump flow rate. With the meth/water kit not only do you remove heat from the charged air, but also from the cumbustion chamber.

"Once the charge enters the cylinder, water in the induction charge following the exit of the super heated exhaust gases (1500+ degrees) begins to immediately cool the surfaces within the cylinder including the cylinder walls, piston head, combustion chamber, valves and spark plug tip. This cooling will have its most dramatic effect on any possible hot spots the coolant system has not adequately addressed. Surface temperatures will be significantly reduced by the water even more so than the extra fuel that was previously being used to cool the cylinder surfaces."
Copyright © 2003 J. Edison Haney II

I would also recommend spraying the meth/water after compression as most heat is generated after the SC.

With the kit installed I have seen temperature drops of approx. 20*F from 160 to 140*F. Plus there is the added bonus of running 24-26* timing without knock.

The kit I purchased comes with a light which turns on when the pump is activated, so I know if somethings not working.
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