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Old May 14, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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upgrade fuel system for cobalt ss

is there any company that makes higher flowing fuel rail, adjustable fuel pressure regulator, high flow fuel filter, and a higer volume fuel pump.
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Old May 14, 2007 | 06:09 PM
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Not that I know of but maybe someone else can give you more advice
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Old May 25, 2007 | 10:21 AM
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this is something that needs to be taken care of before we can make safe big horse power. i would love to have a larger fuel rail and pump.
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Old May 25, 2007 | 11:34 AM
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You can get a fuel pressure regulator and a fuel pump. It isn't a cobalt specific part that you need.
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Old May 27, 2007 | 02:02 AM
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This might help
http://www.cobaltperformanceparts.co...roducts_id=253
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Old May 27, 2007 | 02:17 AM
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Lightbulb Or this

Boost A Pump
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Old May 27, 2007 | 02:32 AM
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Are you trying to convert to a return fuel system?

Also, why are you trying to get these parts? What are you doing that demands these upgrades?

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Old Jun 27, 2007 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NJHK
Are you trying to convert to a return fuel system?
what is the difference between the two and which one is better even though we have a returnless system dont we still need a bigger fuel pump and whatnot
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Old Jun 27, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CobaltSS313
what is the difference between the two and which one is better even though we have a returnless system dont we still need a bigger fuel pump and whatnot
It would be best to just read this write up

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2743
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NJHK
It would be best to just read this write up

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2743
good write up.

Im curious what aftermarket parts or what we can do to convert to a return system. Returnless is just too cheap. Larger fuel rail mod would also be nice since our fuel rails only support like 55 lbs (pretty sure).
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rrutter81
good write up.

Im curious what aftermarket parts or what we can do to convert to a return system. Returnless is just too cheap. Larger fuel rail mod would also be nice since our fuel rails only support like 55 lbs (pretty sure).
Well,

It's all about the need for a return fuel system. You can honestly have a sufficient amount of power without needing to switch.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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I wouldnt recommend the factory fuel system for pulleys smaller than 2.9

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Old Jul 13, 2007 | 01:00 PM
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ya ive been wondering this for a while. i run a turbo on a much bigger engine but it seems that that system uses almost the same size injectors as the stage 2 kits for these cars... i havnt been able to figure out why, i had guessed it was because there wasnt enough fuel pressure to push the injectors hard so you just compensate with larger injectors at a smaller pressure. i use 72#s on my other car at 45psi and it supports well over the cobalts 300hp +- just kind of curois why
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Old Jul 25, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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Cool E85 Fueled Cobalt Speed record!!

GM Performance Set Three Speed Records at Bonneville

Chevy Cobalt SS Sets First-Ever Bonneville Record using E85 Ethanol

GM Performance Division and its partners from So-Cal Speed Shop set three new land speed records with Ecotec-powered vehicles last week during the 58th Annual Speed Week event at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Wendover, Utah, including the first-ever Bonneville record using E85 ethanol. Ecotec-powered vehicles have now set eight records during the past four years with some form of GM involvement.

“The Ecotec is one of the most adaptable and durable four-cylinder engines in the marketplace, and it continues to prove its mettle on the hallowed Salt Flats,” said GM Performance Division executive Al Oppenheiser, whose team heads up GM’s efforts at Bonneville. “We even had one impartial member of the media call the engine ‘bulletproof’ last week, which is a testament to our powertrain organization.”

The team never looked back after setting two records on Aug. 13 in the G/FCC class (G Class/Unblown Fuel Competition Coupe) with the Bonneville Student Project Chevy Cobalt SS and the G/BFALT class (G Class/Blown Fuel Altered Coupe) with the Chevy So-Cal Cobalt SS during the first record return runs of the week.

Both cars were driven by GM Performance Division engineer Mark Dickens, and each vehicle upped its initial record in subsequent race runs throughout the week.

Running only on E85 ethanol, the Student Project Cobalt SS broke the previous 19-year-old record of 152.626 mph set by Doc Jeffries in 1987 with a speed of 156.073 mph, and then upped that record twice using E85 combined with nitrous oxide to its final mark of 172.680 mph in the G/FCC class (G Class/Unblown Fuel Competition Coupe).

The car either qualified or set a record in every E85 race run of the week, and was converted to run on the renewable fuel by three female engineering student interns – 19-year-old Heather Chemistruck from Virginia Tech University, 21-year-old Lauren Zimmer from Purdue University and 21-year-old Sandra Saldivar of New Mexico State University .

“The fuel classes at Bonneville are wide open, and that allows a person to run anything from nitro-methane to methanol to gasoline and whatever else is out there,” said Dickens. “We put E85 up against some of the absolute most extreme fuels available, and to be able to initially break the record using only E85 is quite an accomplishment.”

Meanwhile, Dickens shattered the record he set on Aug. 13 in the G/BFALT class (G Class/Blown Fuel Altered Coupe) with a speed of 246.849 mph in the Chevy So-Cal Cobalt SS on Aug. 15, more than 28 mph better than his previous mark of 218.392 mph.

With his initial G/BFALT record, Dickens earned his place in the Bonneville “200 MPH Club,” joining fellow GM engineer Jim Minneker in the exclusive land speed record fraternity, which is a little more than 600 members strong.

“They told me more people had been in outer space than are in this club,” said Dickens. “Whether it’s true or not, it is an honor to be mentioned in the same breath as some of those drivers.”

The Haas Roadster, owned by Haas Racing and built in partnership with So-Cal Speed Shop, set a new record in the G/BFMR class (G Class/Blown Fuel Modified Roadster) with a speed of 196.106 mph. The Haas Roadster features a 2.0-liter Ecotec turbo and was driven by team member David Haas.

The team did have a couple setbacks during the week, proving just how hard it actually is to set a record at the Salt Flats, especially when considering a vehicle has to make two successful runs to set a new record.

Once a vehicle qualifies to beat the previous record, it is immediately impounded until the next morning when it can return to the same course for a record run. The combined average between the qualifying and record return runs are what establish a new record

After only two passes, the Chevy So-Cal HHR was finished for the week on Aug. 14 due to an on-course incident.

GM engineer and driver Jim Minneker was beating the previous record of 226.835 in the G/BFCC class (G Class/Blown Fuel Competition Coupe) by more than 20 mph with a qualifying run of 246.686 mph when the HHR lost traction after parachute deployment at the end of its run. Minneker walked away with only minor bruises, and although the HHR was still structurally intact, it was unable to continue running.

And after upping its own record in the G/BGL class (G Class/Blown Gas Lakester) last year to 189.205 mph, the Ecotec Lakester made two passes late last week at speeds of 210.970 mph and 209.360 mph, but did not qualify for a record return run because the mark had already been broken with a higher speed of 212.765 mph on Aug. 16.

“We came out here to set records and showcase GM’s engineering and performance capabilities in a uniquely American environment,” said Oppenheiser. “We had an outstanding week with the Cobalts, and we don’t think either of those records will be broken anytime soon. And besides, there is always the World Finals in October.”

“Plus, we also proved that there is definite performance benefit to using E85 since it burns cooler than gasoline and has a higher octane rating, and not only is it good for the environment from an emissions standpoint, but it’s also a viable option for racing.”
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Old Jul 25, 2007 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by freakta
ya ive been wondering this for a while. i run a turbo on a much bigger engine but it seems that that system uses almost the same size injectors as the stage 2 kits for these cars... i havnt been able to figure out why, i had guessed it was because there wasnt enough fuel pressure to push the injectors hard so you just compensate with larger injectors at a smaller pressure. i use 72#s on my other car at 45psi and it supports well over the cobalts 300hp +- just kind of curois why
What size engine and type of fuel system do you have? Also, your fuel pressure can play a large effect into it as well.
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by NJHK
What size engine and type of fuel system do you have? Also, your fuel pressure can play a large effect into it as well.
its a big engine and a return fuel system... but im not even worried about that. think of it like this. my turbo 240 puts well over 400hp to the ground and it uses smaller 52#injectors
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by freakta
ya ive been wondering this for a while. i run a turbo on a much bigger engine but it seems that that system uses almost the same size injectors as the stage 2 kits for these cars... i havnt been able to figure out why, i had guessed it was because there wasnt enough fuel pressure to push the injectors hard so you just compensate with larger injectors at a smaller pressure. i use 72#s on my other car at 45psi and it supports well over the cobalts 300hp +- just kind of curois why
Its probably because those cars have boost compensating pressure regulators. On a Cobalt, as boost increases, so does the resistance against the injectors therefor the injectors have to be held open longer to spray the same amount of fuel.

On a returnless style fuel system, the fuel rail pressure is held at a constant. This complicates things when it comes to high boost as you have to run large enough injectors to compensate for the increased pressure but also have a way to manage the larger injectors at high vacuum conditions.
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Old Aug 20, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Witt
Its probably because those cars have boost compensating pressure regulators. On a Cobalt, as boost increases, so does the resistance against the injectors therefor the injectors have to be held open longer to spray the same amount of fuel.

On a returnless style fuel system, the fuel rail pressure is held at a constant. This complicates things when it comes to high boost as you have to run large enough injectors to compensate for the increased pressure but also have a way to manage the larger injectors at high vacuum conditions.
WRONG!

I mean...

Correct.
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