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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:34 PM
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PROVEN: Big Wing Works!

(Autoweek link provided from a thread posted in the LNF section)

To all the "big wing naysayers" out there ...

Autoweek Magazine, commenting on the downforce provided by the Cobalt's larger rear wing:
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...023/LATESTNEWS

"The optional, massive wing on the car actually does something, providing 23 pounds of downforce at 70 mph and 115 pounds at 155 mph.!"

The article says you lose 5mph in top speed with the larger wing. But think about it, at that speed ... who in their right mind would actually want a light tail end anyway?

So grab 'yer big wing now boys and start bolting them on!

Because not only does the bigger greatly improve the Cobalt's otherwise admittedly "plain jane" aesthetics, it actually does it's job as well.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:35 PM
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I'd rather hire a midget to hang out in my trunk.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:35 PM
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Hmmm interesting. Il take looks over DF
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:35 PM
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i'll still take the RKsport 3 piece!
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:39 PM
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Hmmm interesting. Il take looks over DF
jigga wha? i think the high rise looks sick on our car
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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it doesnt feel bad at 155 without the spoiler. as a matter of fact it feels awesome.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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ive already got a system worth its weight in my trunk. im good
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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my question is does it list the downforce of the low pro wing? of course the big wing provides downforce, the argument has always been if it puts out substantially more then the low pro one.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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Just remember guys, the wing isn't mounted directly over the rear wheels either. So it has some mechanical advantage which multiplies it's effect.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:59 PM
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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unless you're on a nurburguring track i don't think you'll be utilizing the 155mph downforce ability of the wing. I can see it helping for some slight stabilizing while going at high speeds in a corner, but you'd think if its pulling down on the back, then its lifting the front like a basic lever over the rear axle, and with that equal and opposite reaction, wouldn't there be slightly less weight up front where you need the turning traction?

Our cars are pretty notorious for understeer (reason why the battery is in the rear of the vehicle), i know stability is great, but i think if you get some nice stabilizer bars it will help a lot better than a factory plastic wing.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by LopsidedJester
unless you're on a nurburguring track i don't think you'll be utilizing the 155mph downforce ability of the wing
I do Nurburg type driving all the time.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LopsidedJester
unless you're on a nurburguring track i don't think you'll be utilizing the 155mph downforce ability of the wing. I can see it helping for some slight stabilizing while going at high speeds in a corner, but you'd think if its pulling down on the back, then its lifting the front like a basic lever over the rear axle, and with that equal and opposite reaction, wouldn't there be slightly less weight up front where you need the turning traction?

Our cars are pretty notorious for understeer (reason why the battery is in the rear of the vehicle), i know stability is great, but i think if you get some nice stabilizer bars it will help a lot better than a factory plastic wing.
In extreme situations the loss of front end traction results to under steer which can be corrected by lifting the throttle or applying the brakes. Its far harder to correct your back end swinging out and much more dangerous/terrifying IMO.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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i see where you're coming from, and i feel that there may be some certain amount of downforce that could be beneficial. With this argument you could also say that the downforce takes away from that extra braking rear end lift (which is actually probably a good) but it would lesson the amount of force on the front slightly taking away from some of the initial turn in.

I don't like siding either way, but i would like to see proof on how much downforce is actually beneficial for a fwd car during autocross or fast road courses.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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i'll still take the RKsport 3 piece!
Hell yea! 3pc ftw! I love my 3pc wing
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 07:59 PM
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my subs take care of my tail end down force
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 08:07 PM
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Good to know. I've always wondered how much df the high-rise gives.
The top-speed of the 05-07 ss/sc is around 140MPH, right? I wanna go 160MPH stock
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by firemanfrank
(Autoweek link provided from a thread posted in the LNF section)

To all the "big wing naysayers" out there ...

Autoweek Magazine, commenting on the downforce provided by the Cobalt's larger rear wing:
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...023/LATESTNEWS

"The optional, massive wing on the car actually does something, providing 23 pounds of downforce at 70 mph and 115 pounds at 155 mph.!"

The article says you lose 5mph in top speed with the larger wing. But think about it, at that speed ... who in their right mind would actually want a light tail end anyway?

So grab 'yer big wing now boys and start bolting them on!

Because not only does the bigger greatly improve the Cobalt's otherwise admittedly "plain jane" aesthetics, it actually does it's job as well.
The optional, massive wing on the car actually does something, providing 23 pounds of downforce at 70 mph and 115 pounds at 155 mph. Top speed of this car (with the standard, smaller wing) is 160 mph! You wouldn't want to do that with a plain-vanilla Cavalier.
I'm curious as to what the top speed is with the big wing... because my car doesn't go nearly as fast with the small wing, as it did with the big wing.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 08:16 PM
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 08:18 PM
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they didnt mention that it caused significantly more drag than downforce....

PS 115lbs of downforce is almost nothing at 155mph..
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 08:18 PM
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Still hate my spoiler (low pro) and the SS/SC spoiler.

I wanna be wingless soooo bad!!!
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 09:03 PM
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raced another balt with 2.6 and 60s. beat him.... barley... he had a high rise and i took mine off.... what do you think of that
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 09:05 PM
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I think he either can't drive... has no supporting mods... had a car FULL of people... or a shitty ass tune.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 09:06 PM
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he can drive. has full bolt ons. just him and i had my wife with me. maybe?
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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he has a 2.7 but yea..u stillwon
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