1st AutoX, got 6th. Advice on LSJ prep?
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1st AutoX, got 6th. Advice on LSJ prep?
Hey Guys competed in the novice class of my first autocross this weekend and got 6th out of 26 cars in the novice class. Had a great time!
Anyways i am wanting to get more competitive next year and was surprised how good the LSJ performed as she is pretty much bone stock besides an exhaust system.
For the Class ill be running in i can pretty much mod all i want as long as im on "street tires"
i plan on waiting for the 2014 tire rules before purchasing new rubber but that is already my first purchase.
Outside of wheels/tires i was looking for some advice on prepping my car for next year?
Obviously my big problem was keeping traction in the front. With this i was thinking; Trans Mount, Rear Sway bar & i had actually heard of people disconnecting the front sway bar? as to give the tires the ability to keep flat through a corner?
Anyways appreciate any advice guys!
Thanks!
Anyways i am wanting to get more competitive next year and was surprised how good the LSJ performed as she is pretty much bone stock besides an exhaust system.
For the Class ill be running in i can pretty much mod all i want as long as im on "street tires"
i plan on waiting for the 2014 tire rules before purchasing new rubber but that is already my first purchase.
Outside of wheels/tires i was looking for some advice on prepping my car for next year?
Obviously my big problem was keeping traction in the front. With this i was thinking; Trans Mount, Rear Sway bar & i had actually heard of people disconnecting the front sway bar? as to give the tires the ability to keep flat through a corner?
Anyways appreciate any advice guys!
Thanks!
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YYZ/hardcore bar/CABS = Much better. rotated mounts will help you if you get excited at the start. dont disconnect the front bar with that combo; the sheer grip of rising rate springs is amazing. Forward bite is very good.
then in 2015 you can upgrade to the xXx bar...
then in 2015 you can upgrade to the xXx bar...
Was already checking out your hardcore rear bar, i recently replaced the control arm & sway bar bushings with MOOG's. Would you recommend another?
Also sorry not quite familiar with "YYZ"?
Also would i see much benefit from shocks/struts? (not really looking to invest in coilovers yet) I've also been told by racers from the look of my car on the track i would benefit from adjusting toe out but not really sure what it takes to adjust on a stock LSJ?
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"YYZ" is the name of John Powell springs. You can order them from Crate Engine Depot. Don't bother with coilovers, you won't need them with the YYZ/hardcore bar setup as long as you get good tires.
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Thanks man! checked the springs out just wondering what the difference between the V2 and V3 versions?
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Looking into tires for the "Street" Class next year and they have to be 140+ rated and non R compound. Any recommendations? Maybe best and a budget option?
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The only difference is the coils at the end of the rear springs. When you remove the stock springs they are tight on the mounts/isolators. The V2 end coil is alot larger and the springs drop right in. This is the version I have and was kinda surprised how loose they were when installed, but with the vehicle weight on them it's no big deal. The V3 end coil, from what I've heard, is much tighter like the stock springs. Other than that there is literally no difference. Just the springs, rear sway bar, and good tires will make a noticeable difference.
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Cool man ill check them out. I ran on regular Khumo's and need much more grip. Plan on keeping these as dedicated track tires tho so not worries about street ability besides them falling within te rules
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Thanks for the response! Your time attack car is truly an inspiration.
Was already checking out your hardcore rear bar, i recently replaced the control arm & sway bar bushings with MOOG's. Would you recommend another?
Also sorry not quite familiar with "YYZ"?
Also would i see much benefit from shocks/struts? (not really looking to invest in coilovers yet) I've also been told by racers from the look of my car on the track i would benefit from adjusting toe out but not really sure what it takes to adjust on a stock LSJ?
Was already checking out your hardcore rear bar, i recently replaced the control arm & sway bar bushings with MOOG's. Would you recommend another?
Also sorry not quite familiar with "YYZ"?
Also would i see much benefit from shocks/struts? (not really looking to invest in coilovers yet) I've also been told by racers from the look of my car on the track i would benefit from adjusting toe out but not really sure what it takes to adjust on a stock LSJ?
I measured it post race.
it wasnt toed out. zero.
end of story.
btw the late Carroll Smith did a series of back to back tests in the -80's with Alan Berg in a Formula Atlantic car investigating toe in/out etc.
toe out didnt work for the car ( A swift)
Sometimes toe out works for a car with crappy suspension. Cobalt suspension is not crappy its actually pretty decent ( compare it to a strut Civic) but Cobalt suspension components cant handle stress. Re CABS, With stock CABS on a stock SCCA n/a Cobalt at Road America Heinricy would feel the car slow down on the straights as the cabs caused the toe to change at high speed creating drag.
On auto X or drag strip, excessive cab movement creates excessive torque steer reaction at the start, and then as you turn in on auto x the tire tucks under as the CAB yeilds, wearing the heck out of the outer rib of the tire. Worse that outer rib wear indicates that the tire is overheating and losing grip because of it.
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Thanks man! It is great to hear from someone with such knowledge into this purpose.
Im keeping my eyes on the rules as they are modifying the "street" class and i have to stay on non R compound tires so eliminates alot of the tires people have grown fond of such as the RS-3's, 888's and such
So far planning to go with your recommendations on the Springs/Rear Bar!
Anything else easy the Cobalts benefit from in a tight AutoX setting?
As far as CAB's are concerned would you recommend a tougher set than the MOOG's?
Im keeping my eyes on the rules as they are modifying the "street" class and i have to stay on non R compound tires so eliminates alot of the tires people have grown fond of such as the RS-3's, 888's and such
So far planning to go with your recommendations on the Springs/Rear Bar!
Anything else easy the Cobalts benefit from in a tight AutoX setting?
As far as CAB's are concerned would you recommend a tougher set than the MOOG's?
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I did hear about this event but didn't get a chance to go. Sounds fun.
I'm also not ready to drop big monies on parts just for auto x, or to wear the crap out of my current brakes/tires/etc.
I've never seen you on here before or even around town. You'll see me in the Lincoln creek area and at wwu. There is another victory red SC that parks in the C lots, has a backup camera and high rise.
I'm also not ready to drop big monies on parts just for auto x, or to wear the crap out of my current brakes/tires/etc.
I've never seen you on here before or even around town. You'll see me in the Lincoln creek area and at wwu. There is another victory red SC that parks in the C lots, has a backup camera and high rise.
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Thanks man! It is great to hear from someone with such knowledge into this purpose.
Im keeping my eyes on the rules as they are modifying the "street" class and i have to stay on non R compound tires so eliminates alot of the tires people have grown fond of such as the RS-3's, 888's and such
So far planning to go with your recommendations on the Springs/Rear Bar!
Anything else easy the Cobalts benefit from in a tight AutoX setting?
As far as CAB's are concerned would you recommend a tougher set than the MOOG's?
Im keeping my eyes on the rules as they are modifying the "street" class and i have to stay on non R compound tires so eliminates alot of the tires people have grown fond of such as the RS-3's, 888's and such
So far planning to go with your recommendations on the Springs/Rear Bar!
Anything else easy the Cobalts benefit from in a tight AutoX setting?
As far as CAB's are concerned would you recommend a tougher set than the MOOG's?
glad you asked. lifetime warranty. fixes everything even the common cold.
CAB you need is in foreground of picture.
then there are sway bar clamps to stop the bar from moving out of place
YYZ springs v.1
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Which tires have you been running?
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I did hear about this event but didn't get a chance to go. Sounds fun.
I'm also not ready to drop big monies on parts just for auto x, or to wear the crap out of my current brakes/tires/etc.
I've never seen you on here before or even around town. You'll see me in the Lincoln creek area and at wwu. There is another victory red SC that parks in the C lots, has a backup camera and high rise.
I'm also not ready to drop big monies on parts just for auto x, or to wear the crap out of my current brakes/tires/etc.
I've never seen you on here before or even around town. You'll see me in the Lincoln creek area and at wwu. There is another victory red SC that parks in the C lots, has a backup camera and high rise.
I was heavy on this site back in '07 with my first SS/NA but haven't been that active lately as with my SS/SC its been more a daily driver along with other hobbies taking most of my time. After competing though i am BACK!
I've seen a few other SS' around town but not sure if i have ever spotted you. I tend to only be on the southside for work these days but would be completely down for a meet!
Thank you Mr.Powell! I will be messaging you to get more information on each component but i could not explain to you how much i appreciate the help!