We should be able to answer that by asking Vince. Does he just manipulate the DALs? Can the boost even be directly augmented?

 

What I wonder though....

Was the GMS1 package offered from the dealership on a new car? Since I didn't buy mine new, I wonder bc then we are in another grey area in reference to the sensors. If you were able to order the car w/ the upgrade then technically it would be a stock vehicle right?

 

It is not a new car option.

 

for it to be legal stock it has to come with it at the factory, it cannot be installed at the dealership. No cars came with the GMS1 from the factory. Options like the LSD that was a factory option so its legal.

 

Thanks for the info. I didn't know it was dealership installed only.

 

anyone found any good legal tunes yet? lol

 

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Whoever you have tune your car, you'd best make sure they understand that in STX the boost may not be altered. If you change DAL and arguably MALT, do not be surprised if you get protested and lose. Your best bet is to go E85 tune, and crank the timing.

 

Done correctly how would you know if the boost was altered? It is entirely possible to have a bone stock car that has had the ecu "adjusted" to give more then stock boost and not throw any codes? Granted it is harder with the Bosch system then others.

This has always been a big debate with stock class turbo cars as there is really no way to catch someone if they have changed the tune.

I am in no way endorsing cheating or illegal practices, it's just very difficult to catch especially with the current SCCA Solo rules.

 

Depends on how serious the folks are at Nats. Frankly, if I was competing legit, I'd be armed with my laptop and HP Tuner to prove someone else's car isn't.
If you're talking about fudging it a tiny bit to gain like 10whp, ok, yes, it will be hard to notice, but if you change the stock boost significantly, it's very easy to prove. Let me count the ways...

Yes, people have been fudging boost in ST* by intentionally restricting their downpipes, and creating boost creep, but according to the poorly written rules, that is legal...

IMO, it'd be easier to just open up tuning in ST*, but that's a whole other can of worms

 

yeah, thats more the issue I have is Trusting a cobalt tuner to do it right per the rules. To be honest i may just keep the stock tune this year and give it a go.

 

If you're really interested, and have HPT, I'm happy to help with tips. BYT would be a better source if you want an E85 tune though. I've only played with 93 and 100, though 100 is out for ST*, last I read. Just tell him not to touch DAL, MALT, or WG tables.

 

THANKS! Ill keep that in mind

Ill be posting a build thread someday here lol.

 

The biggest advantage I found running a tune in STX was the raised rev limiter. There is some torque managment that you can eliminate at the top of 1st gear and 21* of timing up top helped. A really good tuner could get some power with the cams but I never saw a benefit with the cam tables people posted on HPTforums. Seemed like I had to pull timing at the torque peak when I adjusted cams Butt dyno saw no more power.

PS. no pride in winning if you cheat.

 

yeah. I think for this season I will be happy with the stock tune. At local events the cobalt on street tires is beating most stx cars. put most the money in suspension and tires for now.

 

Ive been seriously contemplating coming out and playing hard in FSP in 2012.

 

Well thats assuming you can still run a class higher..... Theres no HSP and Id get murdered in STX so FSP would seem to be the logical slot for me.

 

some cars can some cant. Like this year they closed the rule that the ST civic could run STX. Im glad becuse people who couldnt compete, or could in ST were running STX just to have a better shot at a national trophie. STX is a well balanced class, one of the best as far as an street tuner class goes. Not one single car is the MUST HAVE. i think since i have been autocrossing there has been a different STX winner, all but the last 2 years that they have been 89 civic Si

 

Maven, just go buy a TC already!

 

Yeah Yeah Yeah..........hook me up with a down payment.

I havent looked too much into what is fast is FSP, but I think its probably a better fit for me than STX. I dont have LSD, and that will most assuredly be a handicap for me in STX even with my relatively low power, and FSP would still let me run big brakes, whereas in ST Id have to undo mods Ive done to my car. Im pretty close to maxed out in FSP except for seats and reading betwen the rules

 

My guess is that the Focus SVT is probably the big challenge in the class, it looks like you could build a mean 318, and virtually every Civic base model is in there too....power definitely goes to the Focus though.

EDIT: SVT is in DSP.

 

Just look at the Solo II National results for the competitive cars in your desired class.

 

my kw V2s cam in today and like i expected they have progressive spring rates on them Looks like I should be ablt to put some non progressive spring rates with helper springs from swift on the front but the rear might be different. anyone have some idea?

 

Let's talk sway bars! Front doesn't look like whe have to many options.

Rear we have powel, eibach, and OTTP.

What's everyone think?

OTTP to powel?

 

XXX bar. No doubt. It's a perfect amount of rotation with good rear shocks. With underdamped shocks, it unloads too quickly during transitions, but with Konis or something similar, it's just right. FE5 too soft.