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wow laloosh, lame completely copying someone elses response off an identical argument.
and i disagree with the other guy's argument anyways, nice plagiarism though.
and your example is too extreme to fit the argument. we are not talking about spinning over the whole track or even half of it, we are talking in small incrementals, which will increase your wheel speed enough to increase the trap OVER a longer period of time (NOT distance)
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showp...5&postcount=20
^^^lame
and i disagree with the other guy's argument anyways, nice plagiarism though.
and your example is too extreme to fit the argument. we are not talking about spinning over the whole track or even half of it, we are talking in small incrementals, which will increase your wheel speed enough to increase the trap OVER a longer period of time (NOT distance)
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/showp...5&postcount=20
^^^lame
this is a difficult thing to argue over the internet, but i will try to help you understand if you are willing to swallow some pride. the guy whos answer you used it actually incorrect in saying distance is not increased. think about it, of course you are still ACTUALLY traveling 1320 feet, but THEORETICALLY your TIRES are traveling a further distance. if your tires travel 1320 feet with no spin, and they rotate a couple times your tires are now covering more distance over a longer period of time. i understand its hard to grasp and it is quite hard to explain. you cant look at extremes to explain this because obviously excessive tire spin will kill your run all together, but MODERATE tire spin WILL increase trap speed and ET. its been proved time and time again, so dont think you have magically come across some reasoning that genius drag racers have never come across before
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i started that thread because i could never inflate my trap speed by spinning of the line. So i wanted some1 with physics behind it to explain it to me. Obviously no could and the real truth came out.
lmao, read what i just posted. it does increase trap, and if you think it doesnt you have alot to learn about drag racing. i would love to see you argue your point (sorry other people's points you see as yours) with any experienced drag racer and tell them there is no proof. they will also tell you that some spin is good off the line
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because it proves you dont know what you are talking about, you are just repeating what you read and ASSUME is correct. it proves you have no grip on the actual concept
this is a difficult thing to argue over the internet, but i will try to help you understand if you are willing to swallow some pride. the guy whos answer you used it actually incorrect in saying distance is not increased. think about it, of course you are still ACTUALLY traveling 1320 feet, but THEORETICALLY your TIRES are traveling a further distance. if your tires travel 1320 feet with no spin, and they rotate a couple times your tires are now covering more distance over a longer period of time. i understand its hard to grasp and it is quite hard to explain. you cant look at extremes to explain this because obviously excessive tire spin will kill your run all together, but MODERATE tire spin WILL increase trap speed and ET. its been proved time and time again, so dont think you have magically come across some reasoning that genius drag racers have never come across before
this is a difficult thing to argue over the internet, but i will try to help you understand if you are willing to swallow some pride. the guy whos answer you used it actually incorrect in saying distance is not increased. think about it, of course you are still ACTUALLY traveling 1320 feet, but THEORETICALLY your TIRES are traveling a further distance. if your tires travel 1320 feet with no spin, and they rotate a couple times your tires are now covering more distance over a longer period of time. i understand its hard to grasp and it is quite hard to explain. you cant look at extremes to explain this because obviously excessive tire spin will kill your run all together, but MODERATE tire spin WILL increase trap speed and ET. its been proved time and time again, so dont think you have magically come across some reasoning that genius drag racers have never come across before
For example:sti gets a 1.6 60' and runs 13.4 at 101 for example
u have a turbo hatch, which 60ft is a 2.4 or someshit they do also 13.4 in the 1320 but with much higher trap speed.
i think thats a good comparison...
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lmao, read what i just posted. it does increase trap, and if you think it doesnt you have alot to learn about drag racing. i would love to see you argue your point (sorry other people's points you see as yours) with any experienced drag racer and tell them there is no proof
Laloosh we aren't trying to pull wool over your head, this is just how it is.
unsprung weight FTL haha, actually weight in general FTL haha
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You can't use different cars, that just adds more variables.
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umm lol no comment
dude, go do your own research, ive done mine. ive never seen you accept anyone else's opinion on a subject if it differed from yours. i just told you the physics behind it and you have no argument against it so whats the problem? i also highly doubt you have never seen increase due to spinning, maybe you just dont know what the hell is going on or you just spun TOO much
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some1 proove me wrong. With actual though behind it, not just speculation.
time has nothing to do with it. The distance stays the same. The only real way spinning can help is to bring the rpm up, and if it does that, then ure just launching wrong to begin with. you dont acc when u spin, and ure wont acc faster later on because you spun.
i posted reasoning, u posted speculation. Post your reasoning
DISTANCE DOESNT CHANGE NEWB! having more time to acc over the same disatnce will not make u go faster!
time has nothing to do with it. The distance stays the same. The only real way spinning can help is to bring the rpm up, and if it does that, then ure just launching wrong to begin with. you dont acc when u spin, and ure wont acc faster later on because you spun.
dude, go do your own research, ive done mine. ive never seen you accept anyone else's opinion on a subject if it differed from yours. i just told you the physics behind it and you have no argument against it so whats the problem? i also highly doubt you have never seen increase due to spinning, maybe you just dont know what the hell is going on or you just spun TOO much
DISTANCE DOESNT CHANGE NEWB! having more time to acc over the same disatnce will not make u go faster!
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some1 proove me wrong. With actual though behind it, not just speculation.
time has nothing to do with it. The distance stays the same. The only real way spinning can help is to bring the rpm up, and if it does that, then ure just launching wrong to begin with. you dont acc when u spin, and ure wont acc faster later on because you spun.
time has nothing to do with it. The distance stays the same. The only real way spinning can help is to bring the rpm up, and if it does that, then ure just launching wrong to begin with. you dont acc when u spin, and ure wont acc faster later on because you spun.
dude distance does increse THEORETICALLY, think about it. how many times are your tires rotating with wheel spin vs not wheel spin. you are increasing time and distance, please tell me that doesnt effect speed. tell em this, do you trap faster with a bog or with a good launch? you are too prideful to learn anything and that is truly aggravating.
i agree 100%
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ok explain this.
You spin u dotn acc as fast as you should right?
If u hook and acc to max of the tires ability u will be acc and thus going faster. right?
say to 330ft: BTW TWO IDENTICAL CARS
You spin and 6.0 @ 60mph
I hook and go 5.0 @ 60
your telling me your car will acc faster to the end of the track becuase you spun? LOL
keep in mind that in reality a car that hooks and acc faster will be going faster by 330 to beging with, so in reality u will not only be going slower and taking longer to get there, but no u have to make up time AND speed to over come your loss.
You spin u dotn acc as fast as you should right?
If u hook and acc to max of the tires ability u will be acc and thus going faster. right?
say to 330ft: BTW TWO IDENTICAL CARS
You spin and 6.0 @ 60mph
I hook and go 5.0 @ 60
your telling me your car will acc faster to the end of the track becuase you spun? LOL
keep in mind that in reality a car that hooks and acc faster will be going faster by 330 to beging with, so in reality u will not only be going slower and taking longer to get there, but no u have to make up time AND speed to over come your loss.
ok explain this.
You spin u dotn acc as fast as you should right?
If u hook and acc to max of the tires ability u will be acc and thus going faster. right?
say to 330ft:
You spin and 6.0 @ 60mph
I hook and go 5.0 @ 60
your telling me your car will acc faster to the end of the track becuase you spun? LOL
keep in mind that in reality a car that hooks and acc faster will be going faster by 330 to beging with, so in reality u will not only be going slower and taking longer to get there, but no u have to make up time AND speed to over come your loss.
You spin u dotn acc as fast as you should right?
If u hook and acc to max of the tires ability u will be acc and thus going faster. right?
say to 330ft:
You spin and 6.0 @ 60mph
I hook and go 5.0 @ 60
your telling me your car will acc faster to the end of the track becuase you spun? LOL
keep in mind that in reality a car that hooks and acc faster will be going faster by 330 to beging with, so in reality u will not only be going slower and taking longer to get there, but no u have to make up time AND speed to over come your loss.
you honestly do not understand and are not willing to accept anyone else's opinion no matter how factually based they are. you have done this in any argument i have ever seen you in, so i guess ill just wait for more people to come in here and attempt to explain it to you
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the reason u trap lower when u bog is because u are not putting power down cause ure rpms drop. it has nothign to do with spinning tires and distance. The reason spinning doesnt lower ure trap speed is because u are acc faster while spinning then while bogging.
Like i said, prove me wrong
Like i said, prove me wrong
the reason u trap lower when u bog is because u are not putting power down cause ure rpms drop. it has nothign to do with spinning tires and distance. The reason spinning doesnt lower ure trap speed is because u are acc faster while spinning then while bogging.
Like i said, prove me wrong
Like i said, prove me wrong
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no, you WILL NOT be doing the same MPH in your example.
you honestly do not understand and are not willing to accept anyone else's opinion no matter how factually based they are. you have done this in any argument i have ever seen you in, so i guess ill just wait for more people to come in here and attempt to explain it to you
you honestly do not understand and are not willing to accept anyone else's opinion no matter how factually based they are. you have done this in any argument i have ever seen you in, so i guess ill just wait for more people to come in here and attempt to explain it to you
EXACTLY i will be going FASTER cause i acc. faster to the 330. When u acc faster over A SET DISTANCE that means ure trap speed at that distance will be FASTER. Which according to your theory, your car whch trapped and ran slower to 330 now will make up time and trap speed by the 1/4....which is impossible due to p/w ratio given its the identical car