First off no disrespect to LSJ owners I know they are very capable motors, once turbo'd/tvs'd etc.

I'm trying to think what the competition for your average modded lsj would be, say we have a zzp stage 2 kit, maybe downpipe, catback. And say we dyno around 250hp/240tq, I feel that's fair, if I'm wrong please correct me.

When I think lsj on a m62 setup, I think they're competition consists of new civic si's older v8 mustangs like the 5.4, 2.0 genesis's etc. Generally 'quick' cars but not fast.

But I feel like a turbo'd lsj or bolted lnf is competitor for evos, sti's 3.8 genesis, 5.0 mustang etc.

Basically what I'm asking is what kind of kills would a lsj generate? It's hard for me to think of cars other than like civic si's. But that's because I only have minimal experience driving a lsj.

 

honda civic's and other similar car's, they are 205hp stock and rated @ 14.9 in the 1/4 mile. Not very quick by today's standards. GM stage kits can get them in the low 14's.

 

smart cars

 

Well I know most stock ones dyno around 210, not much of a difference though

 

well at the track at least, ive put down some camaros, mustangs, trailer mustangs with slicks, srt4s, turbo prelude, civics, turbo civics, accords, turbo diesel trucks. cant think of anything else. and no the camaros/mustangs arent just v6 ones. v8s, gts, etc. but all this was at the 1/8th mile track.

 

Where? All the stock ones in the dyno thread are under 200 to the wheels.

71. CountrySS 198whp,178wtq Verified, I/E Graph
72. RooTBeer 183whp, 185wtq Veridied DynoDynamics I, HE

and those have intake and exhaust mods. The next one is 210hp with a pulley.

 

I've heard of a lot dyno more than 205 stock

 

Vw gti
Vw vr6
Audi 1.8T's/2.0T's
Mazda 6
Mazda RX8
Ford focus st
Ford Mustang v6
Grand prix gtp/gxp
Civic si
Neon srt4
v6 Malibu
v6 Camry(sleeper)
Genesis 2.0T
v6 Magnum/300's
Any stock v8 truck (Hemi, Triton, Vortec)
Not sure about newer v6 TT ecoboost trucks, even match?

 

Here is a video of my LSJ with just zzp intake dynoing 232whp 218wtq.

5280Cobalts Dyno day: http://youtu.be/htjLKxAHkco

 

Is that on our 250hp example? Or stock

 

You can google the ss/sc and look up their track times to get a good idea where they stand

 

I would assume a bolt on LSJ, ford focus ST runs between 14.2-14.4 @ roughly 97mph bone stock, friend of mine has one of the first models in black when it came out. SS/SC couldnt even come close to him.

 

I beat all I mention'd except the srt4/gxp with my old Sunfire 2.2ecotec m62 intake/exhaust. Figured it to be the same as a stock Cobalt SS/SC low 200's whp/tq. A 250whp cobalt ss/sc would walk all no problems.

This is assuming these other cars don't have bolt on/tune's themselves. Most gtp are pullied down,vw's/civic's with light bolt on's, etc

 

I pulled my friends gtp from a 40 roll with a basically stock SS. By basically I mean all I had was an intake, badmab header, zzp downpipe and catback

 

Im basically trying to make sure getting a lsj over a lnf won't be a complete mistake.

basically a 10k loan vs a 5-6k loan for a student. (Already have a little bit of money saved)

There's not very many fast cars around here, I just don't want to get walked all the time. Not that I even race people that often.

The only cars I regularly see Around my area are

Mazdaspeed protege
1st gen mazdaspeed 3
Older gen mustang v6 wth full exhaust and intake
Turbo'd rx7 (idk if they're all turbo'd or not)
A lot of newer civic si's
Srt4 with straight pipe
K20 civic hatch (ep3)
New gti with apr stage 2
Fiat abarth with some ecu and exhaust work

 

You should be competitive with the locals.

 

Lol you've been around this forum to have a good idea of the capabilities of these cars. Depending on how deep into modding you want to get both cars are pretty good.

Lnf probably has the lowest initial cost since it comes with a lot of nice things(more power, nls, sportier suspension) and is probably the better buy being you can prob find one with lowish miles.

Or.... you can always be a hard head like me and get the lsj just to be different Personally I love my lsj and can't wait to get my build going but I bought the car intending to changed a lot of **** anyway so the perks the lnf came with didn't phase me

 

No f'd up valves with the lsj. Thats a plus. I bet my lnf valves are coated by now.

 

Walnut blast then immediately buy powell's oil separator!

 

I know if I get a lsj it's going to most likely staying m62 powered. Wish I had the money/time and knowledge to be able to do it, but I can't see that happening. Which realistically, limits me to around 250whp, since I wouldn't get tuned on e85, have crazy ass mods. So the general consensus seems that 250 is enough to hang with most sportier cars.


There's a bone stock one around here owned by a older guy, taking a look at it on Monday with my friend that has a zzp stage 2 lsj. We don't think it's working 100% but we got destroyed by that abarth off the line, but from 40 we pulled.

 

P/p head with cams and springs and a tune will do wonders for the m62 just so you know.

 

That V6 malibu is a POS, I beat one NA although by only half a car.

Also the damn crown vics are faster than me

 

350z...
Mustang gts...
Wrxs...
Srt4s...
gto...

All lightly modded cars i have beaten them all on a strong stage 2 setup, havent really raced anyone yet with my new head and cams setup but so far i was on a z06's tail down the 1320 and from a roll. Driver mods were needed from them i bet though.

Think of it this way. A strong stage 2 car with boltons and a good tune will make around 260 whp. And the car weighs less than 3000 pounds. Compare that to say, a wrx that has 300ish whp but weighs 400 lbs more. Or a 350z that makes 285ish crank but weighs 3300ish. Or a gto that makes 400 but weighs 4000 lol.

And unlike most of those other cars, the gear ratios for the balt are in favor, especially from 40 rolls. By 110 mph youve only shifted once while most cars shift 2-3 times lol

 

My SS/SC had the GM Stage 3 pulley, airbox mod, GMPP honed manifold, GMPP catback, Ingalls Torque damper, and a dyno tune. It made 237whp and 214wtq. Ran 13.8's @ 104 pretty consistently. Really mine was just basic bolt ons and it was fairly quick. The LSJ has potential, I'm pretty sure guys here were in the 12's on the m62. I've out ran STI's, 350Z's, Mustangs, Honda's, ect at the track. Driver mod for the win!

 

I'm just bolted and tuned (on god juice ) 5.0 /evos/stis ect are close enough to be a drivers race. Hell near stock evos and sti are damn near a slaughter from a roll lol. When the its gets cold and the DA is negative i'm going for 12s ,then i'm doing head and cams. id like to see a 113ish trap on a M62 and stock bottom end.

Few of my favorite races.
challenger 392 this guy was a tool
5.0 with exhasut xpipe and tune. (suprised myself lol) he slept on the light and spun
our 2nd race i slept on the light and goofed the launch and he hooked ,he pulled me hard but not by alot.

Civic SI with tune and intake...not much of a race.