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Old May 17, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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Ok, maybe you guys can help me out...

I installed an Exedy, with a new slave, and a new rubber "cap" on the line to the block due to it leaking from being torn slightly. After re-install, I actually had a clutch pedal, enough to dis-engage the clutch, but the pedal was low. After bleeding, I have nothing. Completely lost the pedal. No fluid leaking out of the resivior, when I put vacuum to it, it just pulls tons of air up the line, won't hold vacuum. Has to be leaking somewhere, but there is no fluid coming out, and the slave is brand new and did work perfectly until I bled it the first time. This is not my first clutch job, but this ******* sucks, it shouldn't be this bad to bleed a damn clutch out.
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Old May 17, 2008 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Ok, maybe you guys can help me out...

I installed an Exedy, with a new slave, and a new rubber "cap" on the line to the block due to it leaking from being torn slightly. After re-install, I actually had a clutch pedal, enough to dis-engage the clutch, but the pedal was low. After bleeding, I have nothing. Completely lost the pedal. No fluid leaking out of the resivior, when I put vacuum to it, it just pulls tons of air up the line, won't hold vacuum. Has to be leaking somewhere, but there is no fluid coming out, and the slave is brand new and did work perfectly until I bled it the first time. This is not my first clutch job, but this ******* sucks, it shouldn't be this bad to bleed a damn clutch out.
That's the exact same problem I had. But I never changed the slave that time. I tried to manual bleed it first and got a decent pedal after pumping it up. But it was engauging real close to the floor and the pedal got worse over time. I figured it was just air or something so I went and bought a vacuum pump and tried but I always got air sucked in. Slave was bad and was leaking in the bell housing.
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Old May 17, 2008 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Ok, maybe you guys can help me out...

I installed an Exedy, with a new slave, and a new rubber "cap" on the line to the block due to it leaking from being torn slightly. After re-install, I actually had a clutch pedal, enough to dis-engage the clutch, but the pedal was low. After bleeding, I have nothing. Completely lost the pedal. No fluid leaking out of the resivior, when I put vacuum to it, it just pulls tons of air up the line, won't hold vacuum. Has to be leaking somewhere, but there is no fluid coming out, and the slave is brand new and did work perfectly until I bled it the first time. This is not my first clutch job, but this ******* sucks, it shouldn't be this bad to bleed a damn clutch out.
q-d seal is prolly stuck inside female came off the male post i have posted this before pm me if u you need details
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Old May 18, 2008 | 09:10 AM
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I don't have that cap as far as I can remember... Does that cap comes as part of the distribution block? Or italian joe does it sound like I can just get another one of these rubber caps from GM... If so the search engine here sucks anyway I can get some parts numbers for either or both? Thanks for the input! And that really sucks man, I wish I know more about this transmission stuff....
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Old May 18, 2008 | 11:04 AM
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I don't have that cap as far as I can remember... Does that cap comes as part of the distribution block? Or italian joe does it sound like I can just get another one of these rubber caps from GM... If so the search engine here sucks anyway I can get some parts numbers for either or both? Thanks for the input! And that really sucks man, I wish I know more about this transmission stuff....
They don't sell the cap itself from what I see, but you can buy the whole line with the cap on it and just take the cap off. Its like $6. I can get you the part # later on if you want.

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That's the exact same problem I had. But I never changed the slave that time. I tried to manual bleed it first and got a decent pedal after pumping it up. But it was engauging real close to the floor and the pedal got worse over time. I figured it was just air or something so I went and bought a vacuum pump and tried but I always got air sucked in. Slave was bad and was leaking in the bell housing.
See, thats what it seems like to me, but this is a brand new ******* slave. How could it break from normal bleeding? No vac at first, it just stopped working. I really don't want to pull the trans a 3rd time and then fight with GM about warrantying a part like that.

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Old May 18, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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re q-d this is the second time you are doing it so be careful: take the hairpin clip out of the quick disconnect clutch fitting on the bellhousing (behind the air inlet and between the ECU and the engine) and turn it over. Make sure you do NOT see in the female q-d orifice, a little O ring in the socket of the q-d. IF YOU DO, Remove it carefully with a small pick and then put the o ring back on the male post for the q-d which is attached to the bellhousing. Then place the q-d back press firmly, reinstall the hair pin clip and bleed the clutch. If you remove the slave from the block, then use teflon tape on the threads of the connector. This is a flared fitting and seals on theGM style tube flare, which is good, but the teflon tape is a little extra band aid in case dont want to take it apart again!

bleeding should be easy vacuum is best IMHO but the old pump hold down and bleed works with 2 people well enough. dont run out of brake fluid in the reservoir.

oh put a little grease on the pilot shaft just my 2 cents
that is so japanses to my ears lmfao..
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Old May 18, 2008 | 02:21 PM
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[QUOTE=ItalianJoe1;2343966]They don't sell the cap itself from what I see, but you can buy the whole line with the cap on it and just take the cap off. Its like $6. I can get you the part # later on if you want.



Are you talking about the whole line from the distribution block up to brake fluid reservior? Cause I thought that cap sits underneath the distribution block from the top of the tranny...
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Old May 18, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 207GT04
Are you talking about the whole line from the distribution block up to brake fluid reservior? Cause I thought that cap sits underneath the distribution block from the top of the tranny...

No, the line from under that block down to the slave cyl/throwout bearing. Its about 5 inches long or so, with the plastic fitting and cap on one end and the flare fitting on the other end to connect to the slave. Need to pull the trans to change the whole thing, but you can just pull off the cap carefully and transfer it to your car if thats all you need.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 01:14 PM
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No, the line from under that block down to the slave cyl/throwout bearing. Its about 5 inches long or so, with the plastic fitting and cap on one end and the flare fitting on the other end to connect to the slave. Need to pull the trans to change the whole thing, but you can just pull off the cap carefully and transfer it to your car if thats all you need.
Ah thats what I needed to know. I don't remember looking at that when we had the transmission apart. I will be sure to let the tech know tomorrow when he starts working on it cause I have quit! When I make a trip down to miami I gotta see that thing on the bottle... Should be going sometime at the end of next month
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Old May 19, 2008 | 06:49 PM
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Ah thats what I needed to know. I don't remember looking at that when we had the transmission apart. I will be sure to let the tech know tomorrow when he starts working on it cause I have quit! When I make a trip down to miami I gotta see that thing on the bottle... Should be going sometime at the end of next month
I should have the forged pistons in by that point, so it will be even nastier. I'm looking forward to it myself...
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Old May 19, 2008 | 06:53 PM
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I should have the forged pistons in by that point, so it will be even nastier. I'm looking forward to it myself...
who u getting them from??? i heard diamond is ******* ppl over right now, because it takes like months to get the pistons
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Old May 19, 2008 | 07:10 PM
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who u getting them from??? i heard diamond is ******* ppl over right now, because it takes like months to get the pistons
They are in my garage right now...

I have to get this ugly ass black POS outta my driveway so I can start working on my car.

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Old May 19, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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They are in my garage right now...

I have to get this ugly ass black POS outta my driveway so I can start working on my car.
you serious??? what kind did u get?.....get my car out yo driveway then lmao....
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Old May 19, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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you serious??? what kind did u get?.....get my car out yo driveway then lmao....
Diamond, same as everyone else.

I'm trying to get your **** gone. I am going to pull the trans for the third time this week and change the slave again. That has to be the problem. Don't know why a brand new part went bad, but **** happens. I had my boy order me up a new one ahead of time so I won't have to wait too long, hopefully pull it down tomorrow and put it back together wednesday after work. I only have a couple hours each day, so I'll do what I can. I want this **** gone, I'm losing way too much money on this job now.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 07:42 PM
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Diamond, same as everyone else.

I'm trying to get your **** gone. I am going to pull the trans for the third time this week and change the slave again. That has to be the problem. Don't know why a brand new part went bad, but **** happens. I had my boy order me up a new one ahead of time so I won't have to wait too long, hopefully pull it down tomorrow and put it back together wednesday after work. I only have a couple hours each day, so I'll do what I can. I want this **** gone, I'm losing way too much money on this job now.
how you gunna bleed it???? the old fashion way with two ppl or what???

and we anticapted this job to take not long at all lol....did they cover the slave under warranty??

and what compression are the diamonds?
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Old May 19, 2008 | 07:56 PM
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how you gunna bleed it???? the old fashion way with two ppl or what???

and we anticapted this job to take not long at all lol....did they cover the slave under warranty??

and what compression are the diamonds?
I'll bleed it however it works. I tried doing it normally, and that obviously didn't help, but it could have just been a defective slave from day 1. Who the **** knows.

Jason said they will warranty it with no problem at all. I'm taking care of it. Besides, I already laid out money for one, I'm not paying for two.

Pistons are stock replacements. I don't have the money/time to build the car, so just replacing with something stronger for the moment.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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I'll bleed it however it works. I tried doing it normally, and that obviously didn't help, but it could have just been a defective slave from day 1. Who the **** knows.

Jason said they will warranty it with no problem at all. I'm taking care of it. Besides, I already laid out money for one, I'm not paying for two.

Pistons are stock replacements. I don't have the money/time to build the car, so just replacing with something stronger for the moment.
o alright man....i mean if u need another person to press the clutch while its beingbleed let me know cuz ill try and come down...

and while your there, can u put the two step in the car set at 4500 rpm and get rid of the boost reduction in first?
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Old May 19, 2008 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 04redline0124
o alright man....i mean if u need another person to press the clutch while its beingbleed let me know cuz ill try and come down...

and while your there, can u put the two step in the car set at 4500 rpm and get rid of the boost reduction in first?
haha, ricer. You don't need a 2 step, you don't have tires.

And you have the bypass line plugged, so your boost is not limited in 1st. Your car just runs like ass. I saw 15 psi in first gear when I was coming home, but that **** feels slow.
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Old May 19, 2008 | 09:34 PM
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haha, ricer. You don't need a 2 step, you don't have tires.

And you have the bypass line plugged, so your boost is not limited in 1st. Your car just runs like ass. I saw 15 psi in first gear when I was coming home, but that **** feels slow.
its difenatly limited lol....i see 6 psi or close to taht when i punch it!!!we limited it on your laptop lol and i want a two step cuz i will be getting tires sooner or later
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Old May 19, 2008 | 09:41 PM
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its difenatly limited lol....i see 6 psi or close to taht when i punch it!!!we limited it on your laptop lol and i want a two step cuz i will be getting tires sooner or later
I know the TUNE has it limited, but you have the line plugged, so the bypass solenoid doesn't see the boost to limit it. Trust me, its not limiting it. I'll take it out of the tune anyway, but it won't make a difference.

The two step will mess with you unless you shift super fast though. I wouldn't recommend it with the nitrous, if you shift too slow and the car cuts the fuel, I see bad things happening. Lemme do my pistons first, then i'll do yours.
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Old May 20, 2008 | 05:45 PM
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so far they ordered a 15 dollar part for it. The tech didn't have time to tell me anymore than that but he told me that it "leaked" when he bled it which is obviously what I told him. So we will see what tomorrow holds!
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Ah Man, My Mechanic just finished tearing down the car and removed the flywheel. I couldn't believe how much stuff you have to remove just to get to it!!

Does anyone know about resurfacing the flywheel? Since the original one has fine grooves on it, he is wondering that if he takes it for resurfaceing, is it important to have those grooves on it? or can it just be resurfaced to be smooth all around?

207GT04, don't mean to jack your thread is it cool with you that I posted? If not, I'll remove.
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Ah Man, My Mechanic just finished tearing down the car and removed the flywheel. I couldn't believe how much stuff you have to remove just to get to it!!

Does anyone know about resurfacing the flywheel? Since the original one has fine grooves on it, he is wondering that if he takes it for resurfaceing, is it important to have those grooves on it? or can it just be resurfaced to be smooth all around?

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The LSJ flywheel should NOT be resurfaced.If badly scored or heat checkd GM recommends replacement ONLY!
This is in order to maintain the proper component balance, friction contact surface taper, and heat transfer characteristics.
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Old May 21, 2008 | 12:50 AM
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I know the TUNE has it limited, but you have the line plugged, so the bypass solenoid doesn't see the boost to limit it. Trust me, its not limiting it. I'll take it out of the tune anyway, but it won't make a difference.

The two step will mess with you unless you shift super fast though. I wouldn't recommend it with the nitrous, if you shift too slow and the car cuts the fuel, I see bad things happening. Lemme do my pistons first, then i'll do yours.
can u explain alittle more please?? and can you undue the bypass mod for me please then
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The LSJ flywheel should NOT be resurfaced.If badly scored or heat checkd GM recommends replacement ONLY!
This is in order to maintain the proper component balance, friction contact surface taper, and heat transfer characteristics.
WOT
Thanks! That explains it. The flywheel is not bad at all, the pressure plate was really roasted!! The clutch itself still looks new!! we compared them side by side and they are almost identical. My car has 34k miles and went through 4 bottles of Nitrous!!
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