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Old May 31, 2012 | 09:32 PM
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clutch, slave, master cylinder, or shift cable?

My car has been in the shop over 2 weeks now. New exedy clutch kit and master cylinder. Master cylinder replaced twice trying figure out the problem. Car will not shift gears while running. But you can start the car in gear. What could be the problem? thanks for any help. oh did i mention the shop wants to take it apart and try replacing clutch kit again but charge a 2nd time for labor.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 10:19 PM
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When you say it won't shift when running, do you mean the shifter won't move or nothing happens when you move the shifter around? And what does it do when the car is not running and you try to shift?
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Old May 31, 2012 | 11:09 PM
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When you say it won't shift when running, do you mean the shifter won't move or nothing happens when you move the shifter around? And what does it do when the car is not running and you try to shift?
the shop told me that it won't shift gears when running. that if you bearly let off the clutch it takes off if you start it in gear. i'm not sure what he means by that. i think he means it won't move when running. when not running it shifts fine.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 11:26 PM
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What clutch and flywheel did you get? Did you replace throw out bearing? It almost sounds like the pedal is adjusted too low. Did you get one of those clutch rods?

Have asked Chevycobaltss3? He's in KY, maybe you're close enough to him that he can help.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 11:33 PM
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What clutch and flywheel did you get? Did you replace throw out bearing? It almost sounds like the pedal is adjusted too low. Did you get one of those clutch rods?

Have asked Chevycobaltss3? He's in KY, maybe you're close enough to him that he can help.
i replaced Pressure plate, Disc, Slave cylinder & Throw-out bearing Assembly with exedy clutch kit *GMK1010EXEDY*

i didn't replace the flywheel shop said it looked ok. clutch rods??? what is that? i'm not doing the work myself it is in the shop still. no i haven't asked Chevycobaltss3. but i'll look him up and ask him thanks

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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 12:12 AM
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Almost sounds like it just needs bled out. Could just be air in the lines. Because if the clutch is grabbing that low on the pedal it sounds like the throw out bearing is not extending out far enough and therefore not getting the pressure plate off the clutch. That would explain why it starts to move after barely letting off the pedal and why it won't shift. It's like if you tried to shift when pushing the clutch in just a little bit, it won't let you because the clutch isn't disengaged enough
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 01:13 AM
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Almost sounds like it just needs bled out. Could just be air in the lines. Because if the clutch is grabbing that low on the pedal it sounds like the throw out bearing is not extending out far enough and therefore not getting the pressure plate off the clutch. That would explain why it starts to move after barely letting off the pedal and why it won't shift. It's like if you tried to shift when pushing the clutch in just a little bit, it won't let you because the clutch isn't disengaged enough
the guy at the shop said he has tried gravity, reverse, and vacuum bleeding it. is there some certain way to bleed it? he also said he thinks one of the parts from the kit is bad and he wants to charge for labor again to remove tranny again and replace parts again. what the chances of that being the problem?
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by phatpat38127
i replaced Pressure plate, Disc, Slave cylinder & Throw-out bearing Assembly with exedy clutch kit *GMK1010EXEDY*

i didn't replace the flywheel shop said it looked ok. clutch rods??? what is that? i'm not doing the work myself it is in the shop still. no i haven't asked Chevycobaltss3. but i'll look him up and ask him thanks
The clutch rod is something ZZP offers for their clutches. It allows adjustment of the clutch pedal. I was just curious if you have one b/c then maybe it was adjusted wrong. If you don't then thats not an option. I don't have one on my KY clutch and its just fine so its not something everyone will always need.

This would be a lot easier if you had some video footage or if you were doing the work yourself. Relaying messages makes it hard sometimes.

Is it possible he put the cables on wrong? Does the clutch pedal have a normal feel to it? Like, does it move freely and completely in its travel?

As far as the shop charging you labor again... If its not their fault the problem exists and it is b/c of a faulty part then yes, I would say its fair that they charge you but if its their fault b/c of incorrect installation or other shop error then no. Problem is, you're not ever gonna know b/c they sure as hell will just say its a bad part whether or not it really is.

Good luck. Please keep posting details. Maybe you could go and take some video footage?
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 11:49 AM
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sounds like a bad throwout bearing, but if u replaced it thats kind of strange. perhaps the shop forgot to replace it. that's why i do all my own work.
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 12:05 PM
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Could be a # of things. Mine turned out to be a bad pressure plate.
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 03:01 PM
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You might just want to let them take it apart again but be present when they do so you can see if there are broken parts. That's about all you can do
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 11:44 PM
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You might just want to let them take it apart again but be present when they do so you can see if there are broken parts. That's about all you can do
yea i went up there today. while motor is off you can change gears fine but when you crank it up cant move the gear shifter at all. i've decided to call him monday. i want the old parts he already took out before he takes it apart again. then i want to be there when he takes it apart the 2nd time so i get those parts and send them back. i'm go ahead and change the flywheel this time to.

how would i know if the parts are bad or not?
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 12:38 AM
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Not sure you really can know if the parts are bad. If you send the parts back to who you bought them from they may be able to tell if the pressure plate or something is bad.
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 01:07 AM
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Is the shifter cable bracket secured to the Trans?
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 01:14 AM
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Is the shifter cable bracket secured to the Trans?
i'm not sure. i asked him about the shifter cables today under the cup holders. he told me that couldn't be the problem. he said that it wouldn't move at all if they wasn't right.
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 01:20 AM
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If the bracket that's actually mounted to the Trans was not secure, you would have problems getting into 1st, 2nd and 3rd.
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 11:57 PM
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You can always call me 270-505-3212, if you wanna call me I can chart it over with you on causes and etc..
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Old Jun 3, 2012 | 12:10 AM
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I was having a similiar problem. now the only time i can put it in gear is with the car off. The clutch never fully disengages. I don't know what the issue is with mine. I just ordered all new parts and hope to have James help me throw them in.
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Old Jun 3, 2012 | 07:26 AM
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just ordered exedy gmk1010 clutch set again. going to let him taking it apart again and replace parts. so now i'm look at 730 labor (first time was 450 clutch + 30 master cylinder now + 250 clutch again) + 255 clutch set + 100 master cylinder + 20 fluid + 150 flywheel + 50 tow fee so about 1,305. hopefully this fixes it this time.
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Old Jun 3, 2012 | 03:15 PM
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How could I tell if it was the transmission its self? Because if its the transmission my warranty will cover that. It won't cover the clutch because its a wearable part.
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Old Jun 3, 2012 | 08:55 PM
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it may be the pressure plate i had similar issues when a spring fell out of my plate and disc i had to start the car in gear and it would barely shift

now i recently had my throw out fail and i could still drive my car and get it to switch gears on or off it would just engage at the bottom and leak fluid
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Old Jun 5, 2012 | 02:08 PM
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Shop has decided to try changing out the hose what's the chances of that being the problem?
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Old Jun 5, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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if you are talking about the black fluid line, the chances are very slim, I'd say.
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Old Jun 5, 2012 | 04:02 PM
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I'm not sure which hose he is talking about but he said it was like $85
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 02:00 PM
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Shop got the hose replaced fixed most of the problem. But says when first start the car its hard to get into 1st and reverse after runing for a while it shifts fine.
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