USMCFieldMP

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Way off-topic.

gmpartdirect.com

or

www.crateenginedepot.com

If CED doesn't have it listed, email Tom.

06SS ALL DAY

yo i kinda figured if everyone is talking bout the trans i have ehh why not give it a shot ahahah. thanks for the links tho. im looking into it right now

06SS ALL DAY

found it via CED. thanks man... just incase someone ever uses the search button it'll be somewhere so just disregard the following lol

LSJ Clutch Master Cylinder Part # 24246918

terry11

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All of this has been discussed in the thread previously. I doubt you read the whole thing. It's not expensive to ship a trans and shep had my gears apart in one day after he got my trans. It would take them literally hours to do one. This is a walk in the park for them. The ratios were talked about as well we were going to change them. Make them better for drag racing. The holding power we were shooting for was 600+

Knightwolf

I did read it.. 2-3 months ago lol.. don't wanna go through it all again.

Baron7700

so it would be like ~900ish down and then wait for how long till other people do it. I'm going to be honest, even if the product is great, the first 10 guys know they will pay more than the 11th, the first people to deposit will have to wait till the others deposit (sounds like) and after all of this the car will be down for however shipping, install, and turnaround shipping take. When there might be other companies out there who do core swaps.

I just want a stock ratio trans that holds 500, so when im putting 400wheel thro it I know Im good, and I like the twisties, so i dont wanna have a straight drag trans

Knightwolf

Pretty much this..
Most of our cars are in fact daily drivers, so shortening gear ratios for faster times at a track with racing slicks on, is only going to cause more problems with street driving on street tires. I couldn't imagine an even lower 1st gear to start with.. 2nd is fine, 3rd and 4th maybe slightly lower just for drag racing, but still.. I really dunno tbh. The more power you make, the harder it's going to pull regardless, lower gearing really woulnd't help that much unless it was driving a 4000+ lb car, which a Cobalt isn't. Not to mention, they're WRD to start with :s Factory gearing is fine imo; if it was a 6 speed, it'd be worth lowering 3, 4, and 5 with a deeper 6th for hwy mileage. Just my 2 cents...

Baron7700

^^agreed

ULWizSS

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Not sure what final drive they are making these but taking a 4.05 to 4.45 like i did is really not all that bad.

Ralliartist posted this up on the redline forum a while ago:

stock gearing, 4.05 final drive

RPM 1st Gear 2nd Gear 3rd Gear 4th Gear 5th Gear
500 3 5 8 11 13
600 3 7 10 13 16
700 4 8 11 15 19
800 5 9 13 17 22
900 5 10 15 19 24
1000 6 11 16 21 27
1100 6 12 18 24 30
1200 7 13 19 26 32
1300 7 14 21 28 35
1400 8 15 23 30 38
1500 8 16 24 32 40
1600 9 17 26 34 43
1700 10 18 28 36 46
1800 10 20 29 39 48
1900 11 21 31 41 51
2000 11 22 32 43 54
2100 12 23 34 45 56
2200 12 24 36 47 59
2300 13 25 37 49 62
2400 14 26 39 52 65
2500 14 27 40 54 67
2600 15 28 42 56 70
2700 15 29 44 58 73
2800 16 30 45 60 75
2900 16 31 47 62 78
3000 17 33 49 64 81
3100 18 34 50 67 83
3200 18 35 52 69 86
3300 19 36 53 71 89
3400 19 37 55 73 91
3500 20 38 57 75 94
3600 20 39 58 77 97
3700 21 40 60 79 100
3800 21 41 62 82 102
3900 22 42 63 84 105
4000 23 43 65 86 108
4100 23 44 66 88 110
4200 24 46 68 90 113
4300 24 47 70 92 116
4400 25 48 71 94 118
4500 25 49 73 97 121
4600 26 50 74 99 124
4700 27 51 76 101 126
4800 27 52 78 103 129
4900 28 53 79 105 132
5000 28 54 81 107 134
5100 29 55 83 109 137
5200 29 56 84 112 140
5300 30 58 86 114 143
5400 31 59 87 116 145
5500 31 60 89 118 148
5600 32 61 91 120 151
5700 32 62 92 122 153
5800 33 63 94 124 156
5900 33 64 95 127 159
6000 34 65 97 129 161
6100 34 66 99 131 164
6200 35 67 100 133 167
6300 36 68 102 135 169
6400 36 69 104 137 172
6500 37 71 105 139 175
6600 37 72 107 142 178
6700 38 73 108 144 180
6800 38 74 110 146 183
6900 39 75 112 148 186
7000 40 76 113 150 188
7100 40 77 115 152 191
7200 41 78 117 155 194
7300 41 79 118 157 196
7400 42 80 120 159 199
7500 42 81 121 161 202


And here is your new gear ratios with the 4.45 final drive
RPM 1st Gear 2nd Gear 3rd Gear 4th Gear 5th Gear
500 3 5 7 10 12
600 3 6 9 12 15
700 4 7 10 14 17
800 4 8 12 16 20
900 5 9 13 18 22
1000 5 10 15 20 24
1100 6 11 16 21 27
1200 6 12 18 23 29
1300 7 13 19 25 32
1400 7 14 21 27 34
1500 8 15 22 29 37
1600 8 16 24 31 39
1700 9 17 25 33 42
1800 9 18 27 35 44
1900 10 19 28 37 47
2000 10 20 29 39 49
2100 11 21 31 41 51
2200 11 22 32 43 54
2300 12 23 34 45 56
2400 12 24 35 47 59
2500 13 25 37 49 61
2600 13 26 38 51 64
2700 14 27 40 53 66
2800 14 28 41 55 69
2900 15 29 43 57 71
3000 15 30 44 59 73
3100 16 31 46 61 76
3200 16 32 47 62 78
3300 17 33 49 64 81
3400 17 34 50 66 83
3500 18 35 52 68 86
3600 19 36 53 70 88
3700 19 37 55 72 91
3800 20 38 56 74 93
3900 20 39 57 76 95
4000 21 40 59 78 98
4100 21 40 60 80 100
4200 22 41 62 82 103
4300 22 42 63 84 105
4400 23 43 65 86 108
4500 23 44 66 88 110
4600 24 45 68 90 113
4700 24 46 69 92 115
4800 25 47 71 94 118
4900 25 48 72 96 120
5000 26 49 74 98 122
5100 26 50 75 100 125
5200 27 51 77 102 127
5300 27 52 78 104 130
5400 28 53 80 105 132
5500 28 54 81 107 135
5600 29 55 82 109 137
5700 29 56 84 111 140
5800 30 57 85 113 142
5900 30 58 87 115 144
6000 31 59 88 117 147
6100 31 60 90 119 149
6200 32 61 91 121 152
6300 32 62 93 123 154
6400 33 63 94 125 157
6500 33 64 96 127 159
6600 34 65 97 129 162
6700 34 66 99 131 164
6800 35 67 100 133 166
6900 35 68 102 135 169
7000 36 69 103 137 171
7100 37 70 105 139 174
7200 37 71 106 141 176
7300 38 72 108 143 179
7400 38 73 109 145 181
7500 39 74 110 146 184

Baron7700

Ya for you lars my man, but go from a 3.82 to 4.45 that would suck

terry11

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If you have all these problems take it somewhere else then. I'm not in the mood anymore to sit here and read all your little issues with how we're going about things. It's not a straight drag trans we were only going to change 3rd and 4th some so it takes strain off of third. So again, read before you make it seem to everyone else like this trans isn't even going to be streetable.

I don't understand your concepts here... at all. Why the heck you would you lower 3,4,5 on a 6 speed? They're close ratios already. You guys need to read a little more before you post

Baron7700

whoa dude dont get pissy, ive read this thread like 9 times, and I am interested, but im trying to figure out what some of the kinks are, and whats best for me. Don't try to push something and than act like that when we have questions, or Just make somethign and be like here like it. I know sheptrans, I know what they are capable of, but your asking 9 other people do take a huge leap of faith, lemme not do it blind.

Is this a good deal? Could be, trying to see if it will fit for me which is kinda important when you spend 2g on a part in order to spend a couple G more to go through it.

ANYWAY, I am going to keep reading and looking into, geeze take a chill pill

terry11

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Put yourself in your shoes man. A lot of money out of pocket and 150 ppl interested then when time comes around it seems like i'm the only one that wants it to happen. This is why Shep didn't wanna waist his time in the first place. Sorry for being harsh. I'm just frustrated

Baron7700

Oh i dont blame ya, but this has been the issue a few times.

Now flip the switch to me / us. I could put the money down in about 10 days, but than how long would I have to wait for 10 more guys to do it, or would I get mine done at all.

EDIT: im not angry or upset, im just saying its an uphill battle for everyone.

Put me on the list for, if we can get like 4-5 other guys who will put up the money soon, I will too and try to find some straglers to get in on this.

USMCFieldMP

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That's my biggest issue.

Baron7700

I know. Out of the people in this thread I think only 4 of us are legit to do it. And 3 of us have just posted.

terry11

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I'll be e-mailing John this week to try and talk him into 5 instead of 10. Thats all we would need to make people see how reliable they would be

USMCFieldMP

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I also don't know that we need the 4th gear set. I haven't seen anyone destroy a 4th gear yet. Drop the 4th gear set, that drops the price in half (in theory, at least)... and I bet you see a lot more people willing to buy one.

Baron7700

meh, to be honest, he still has to open it up, and tkae it all apart, and get all the parts and what not, so it would probably only be like 2-300 bux cheaper to be honest, he might as well do it while he is in there.

I like our gearings, but I hate how we basically have a t56 gearing without the 1:1 4th gear, just 3 forward, than two OD's...

Ya man if you can get 5, i think it would be an easier sell.

Frew

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I will be interested in a built trans once I build a motor that can break the stocker lol. What happen to zzps built trans? i dont see it on their site anymore, I wish there were more people to just put the money down like the evo guys...

ULWizSS

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Oh plenty of people are ordering the zzp trans. I know of at least 6 that were ordered as soon as they were released. I ended up paying 2k for my stage 2. I originally said it cost 3.9 but with my core being sent in etc thats what it ended up being.

Shep is a great guy and knows his stuff, I unfortunately cant wait for 10 guys either.

USMCFieldMP

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No... the install is an extra $250, iirc. The gears alone are $1650. Like I said. In theory, cutting half of the product out of the equation should eliminate a good chunk of the cost, close to half. Obviously, it won't actually be a 50% reduction in cost, as you still factor in the R&D, shipping, etc. But the gears themselves are the expensive part, so it would eliminate a good amount of the cost.

Frew

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Good to know we have atleast that as an option, but obviously the more the better.

ULWizSS

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Oh i completely agree, I wish this sale the best of luck. Hopefully you guys can get a few more poeple to jump on this.

terry11

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USMC the reason we wanted to do 3 and 4 is because the gears get weaker as you go. 4th hasn't been a problem, up to this point, but once we take care of third who knows. I'm going to talk to him about clearances as well. ZZP has something figured out so with that but if we can make it even better, why not?