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HmF300ex 01-24-2012 12:19 AM

Full face vs. 6 puck
 
It's time to replace the stock clutch on the lnf. I have downpipe,catback,cai, and hp tune coming in a month, so I'll be looking at increased torque.

I'm pretty set on the KY clutch but I am still open to suggestions, I simply cant afford an expensive setup and from reviews, more expensive clutches have received the same(if not more) negative feedback.

So I know full face clutches generally last longer but are more prone to slipping because they cant support increased torque. 6 puck setup should hold more torque but not last as long. With the setup im going to have, would you suggest KY stage 1 or 2? Basically would you suggest a 6 puck clutch for basic bolt ons and tune?

Edit: oh and yea this car's warranty went up this month. only has ~25k miles on it. I'm the second owner and the car was completely raped when we bought it So I'm 90% sure its not my driving thats ruining clutches

Chevycobaltss3 01-24-2012 12:28 AM

Hey bro, honestly tourque capacity it a issues. So running acfull face and a higher tq load it won't last. So I recommend the 6 puck..... And a full face disc has.better slipping but if your making more power then the clutch can hold then u sol be purchasing a new clutch soon

Stamina 01-24-2012 12:53 AM

No matter what brand/type of clutch, you need one that you can live with. If you are going to be DDing your car I would steer clear of puck-type clutches, due to their on-off engagment. That will get old quick. If you are going to be taking the car to the course or track then go for holding power over smooth engagement and get a puck-type clutch.

ULWizSS 01-24-2012 01:46 AM

Honestly my exedy is fine for DD. Either way pick something with some good tq capacity and you should be good to gol

HmF300ex 01-24-2012 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Chevycobaltss3 (Post 6293663)
Hey bro, honestly tourque capacity it a issues. So running acfull face and a higher tq load it won't last. So I recommend the 6 puck..... And a full face disc has.better slipping but if your making more power then the clutch can hold then u sol be purchasing a new clutch soon

I'll take your word, ill have a date for that tune sometime! gotta get this outta the way now and tryin to get that paper right now haha. you know we gunna need a beafy clutch after this tune!


Originally Posted by Stamina (Post 6293717)
No matter what brand/type of clutch, you need one that you can live with. If you are going to be DDing your car I would steer clear of puck-type clutches, due to their on-off engagment. That will get old quick. If you are going to be taking the car to the course or track then go for holding power over smooth engagement and get a puck-type clutch.

It's my DD but I autocross during the summer. I can adapt to the on off engagement, I can't adapt to replacing the clutch all the time lol


Originally Posted by ULWizSS (Post 6293791)
Honestly my exedy is fine for DD. Either way pick something with some good tq capacity and you should be good to gol

Looks like ima have to get used to it!


So KY stage 2 looks like a good option for my setup?

Chevycobaltss3 01-24-2012 03:08 PM

And also what no one gets. It a few is Tq capacity. Full face disc clutches technically will not hold good Tq, for a good amount of time. Which is why you purchase the correct clutch which in your case is a 6 puck ..

Dart_SI 01-24-2012 03:09 PM

Imo best clutch for a DD is the zzp s4. I love it on my friends car. Only problem is its not cheap.

HmF300ex 01-24-2012 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Chevycobaltss3 (Post 6294517)
And also what no one gets. It a few is Tq capacity. Full face disc clutches technically will not hold good Tq, for a good amount of time. Which is why you purchase the correct clutch which in your case is a 6 puck ..

Yup goin with the puck style!


Originally Posted by Dart_SI (Post 6294519)
Imo best clutch for a DD is the zzp s4. I love it on my friends car. Only problem is its not cheap.

If I had the spare money Id be willing. But I don't see the point in spending $400 more for it to feel better. I'm a poor college student lol

Stamina 01-24-2012 03:45 PM

Clutch material (like organic, kevlar, ceramic, blended, etc.) also has a big hand in clutch life. Depending on the material, you can accidentally burn or glaze one pretty bad and basically ruin it early. Others can be driven on and brought back, and others aren't prone to glazing. I guess I'm just saying that puck vs. disk isn't the only variable at hand here.

Chevycobaltss3 01-24-2012 03:49 PM

^^: correctly mundo lol. I'm part messican. Lol jk.. the ky clutch has less peddle pressure if anything with its stage 1-3..

turbohornet88 01-24-2012 06:11 PM

Ky stage 3

TurboTechRacing 01-24-2012 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by turbohornet88 (Post 6294936)
Ky stage 3

That is the most popular choice we notice selling. Plus it is awesome as they ship within 24 hours from the time anyone orders on our site!

HmF300ex 01-30-2012 12:21 AM

So what all should i get with the clutch?

Stock flywheel or lightweight suggested?

I don't know details...anything else ill need to order?

Chevycobaltss3 01-30-2012 09:28 AM

Order the ky clutch stage three, a throwout bearing, and get flywheel resurfaced or get a new flywheel. Don't go lightweight unless u mainly do track

AndrewSS/TC 01-30-2012 09:32 AM

What makes a puck type clutch not last as long as full face disk...my clutch is completely fucked, want the KY 6 puck. I'm afraid the tranny will break though..

Dart_SI 01-30-2012 09:36 AM

Maybe an 8 puck would be best for dd.

JacBlackSS/TC 01-30-2012 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Chevycobaltss3 (Post 6305864)
Order the ky clutch stage three, a throwout bearing, and get flywheel resurfaced or get a new flywheel. Don't go lightweight unless u mainly do track

hey do you know if we can just order a new disc from ky or would i have to buy an entire new kit, i noticed when i looked at mine yesterday it a few nicks on it, like maybe it wasn't lined up correctly when first put in

Stamina 01-30-2012 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by AndrewSS/TC (Post 6305868)
What makes a puck type clutch not last as long as full face disk...my clutch is completely fucked, want the KY 6 puck. I'm afraid the tranny will break though..

Basically, starting with less clutch material to begin with means less to rub away before you run out of material.

FasterIsBetter 01-30-2012 04:26 PM

I can slip my Clutchmasters just fine, they're just touchy the 1st few hundred miles and I have heard even better reviews from the KY so I would assume its even easier to slip it.

bobbyjohn681 02-12-2012 05:54 PM

i was looking at the zzp stage 3 (400lbft), or spec 2+ (380lbft) w/fidanza flywheel, or exedy hypersingle setup(w/ excedy flywheel, 350ish ftlbs rating), for a zzp stage 3 setup (catless, fmhe, 80s), 3" catback (resonated), zzp 3"cai, in mind for a future 252et kit, which would be a better option as far as streetablity and clamp load that i wont have to replace the clutch when i get zzp's turbo kit?

TurboTechRacing 02-12-2012 06:54 PM

KY stage 3 with stock flywheel, best quality, best value. Proven performance.

slowstang 02-12-2012 07:14 PM

Im running a clutchmasters stage 4 6 puck with lightweight flywheel in my car. While it was fine at first the setup gets old after 2,000 miles. There is no slipping the clutch and the light flywheel makes the car tough to get going. On any hill I look like a 16 year old just learning how to drive stick...with 3" straight pipe exhaust it makes it sound even worse.

bobbyjohn681 02-12-2012 08:33 PM

how is pedal effort on ky stage 3 compared to stock?

Chevycobaltss3 02-12-2012 09:30 PM

Depends on the clamping force, but its either the same or less stiff. depending on your hydraulic system.

bobbyjohn681 02-12-2012 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by Chevycobaltss3 (Post 6335428)
Depends on the clamping force, but its either the same or less stiff. depending on your hydraulic system.

thanks, wasnt too sure, my buddy had a sn95 5.0 mustang and went from stock to spec stage 3 clutch and his pedal effort was retarted, may have well be a mechanical clutch setup lol, my 66 chevy truck is easier to press than his shit is lol


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