Good and Bad news with Clutch/Flywheel installation
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Good and Bad news with Clutch/Flywheel installation
Good news is the CM FX300 clutch is awsome. The pedal pressure and shifting are stiff as hell right now, but break-in time will tell. Overall definately better than the slipping POS stock clutch. Sorry no pictures as I got really pissed about my damn flywheel.
The bad news is that my Fidanza flywheel did not make it into the car. The flywheel lined up only one way like it was described, but it didn't sit flush with the pressure plate. We tried to torque it down in the cross-rotational way with a torque wrench and 2 out of the six holes got stripped badly because of it not sitting flush. Retapping to the same size was out of the queston, and there was no place open at the time to find the impossible 9mm bolts that would be needed to re-tap +1 size. So basically, I'm out $300 on a damn flywheel. :cussing
Here's the catch, the stock flywheel and new pressure plate sat perfectly flush, and installed easily. I think I got hosed by Fidanza personally.
The bad news is that my Fidanza flywheel did not make it into the car. The flywheel lined up only one way like it was described, but it didn't sit flush with the pressure plate. We tried to torque it down in the cross-rotational way with a torque wrench and 2 out of the six holes got stripped badly because of it not sitting flush. Retapping to the same size was out of the queston, and there was no place open at the time to find the impossible 9mm bolts that would be needed to re-tap +1 size. So basically, I'm out $300 on a damn flywheel. :cussing
Here's the catch, the stock flywheel and new pressure plate sat perfectly flush, and installed easily. I think I got hosed by Fidanza personally.
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Really? I know 2 peeps with the Fidanza (in a Redline) and they said it was great in teh SPEC 2+? Is there a difference? Hmmm...I have to rethink so clutch work now! LMK.
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I think I got hosed by Fidanza personally.
i would do some searching, someone else bought a fidanza and they drilled the wrong damn bolt pattern in theirs. they probably f'd somehting up on yours too. he sent his back and they sent a new one, it may take a while to find it, but look around and see if you can find out the guy's name who had the issues
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I know a couple of us are going to be using the Fidanza with the FX 300, so has anyone else had a problem with the Fidanza? Who else has a Fidanza and how did it go?
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I know in the Neon community a lot of people had problems with their Fidanza Cam Gears. They would actually cause the belt to skip a couple teeth. I won't buy anything from Fidanza, when I get my new CM clutch I am going to use their flywheel as well.
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I drove the car around for awhile today, and the new clutch is a little different to get used to. The pedal pressure is stiffer and release distance is way shorter, but it feels good. The pressure is starting to feel a little less harsh, and will probably be near where the orginal clutch was when it was new soon. Great investment in my book.
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I dont see why the fidanza doesnt work, here is why...
The SPEC clutch has been installed on multiple customers stock flywheel AND the fidanza brand.
So in this case it shows that fidanza is made to OEM specs in just aluminum material.
In this case the clutch masters clutch should have zero problems fitting on the Fidanza, since the clutch masters fit on the OEM flywheel.
I just looked and we have already sold 2 clutch masters clutch kits and that also purchase the fidanza flywheel; never heard anything back that it didnt work.
Just want to make sure you had the clutch on the right alignment pins as it does make a big difference....
The SPEC clutch has been installed on multiple customers stock flywheel AND the fidanza brand.
So in this case it shows that fidanza is made to OEM specs in just aluminum material.
In this case the clutch masters clutch should have zero problems fitting on the Fidanza, since the clutch masters fit on the OEM flywheel.
I just looked and we have already sold 2 clutch masters clutch kits and that also purchase the fidanza flywheel; never heard anything back that it didnt work.
Just want to make sure you had the clutch on the right alignment pins as it does make a big difference....
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
I drove the car around for awhile today, and the new clutch is a little different to get used to. The pedal pressure is stiffer and release distance is way shorter, but it feels good. The pressure is starting to feel a little less harsh, and will probably be near where the orginal clutch was when it was new soon. Great investment in my book.
keep drivin her lol, get that stock feel back in that beast
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TTR, I bought the combo from you guys. The flywheel may have been screwed up or something, but it just wasn't working right. I'm going to see if I can send it back to Fidanza for a new one, and maybe install it at a later date. That won't mess the clutch up will it?
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Well, I just tried matting up the old stock clutch/pressure plate with the Fidanza, and nothing lined up. Did I get the wrong damn flywheel period? Grrr.....
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Originally Posted by distillion
there are some people with the fidanza with no probs??
you may have got the wrong one.
you may have got the wrong one.
Sorry to hear about the prob man , the install is such a pita anyways w/out problems
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Originally Posted by SilverSS/SC
Thats possibly . Everything lined up perfect on mine .
Sorry to hear about the prob man , the install is such a pita anyways w/out problems
Sorry to hear about the prob man , the install is such a pita anyways w/out problems
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Does the box say part number 198201, if so it is the right one. Make sure the disc is not upside down, and that the clutch lines up on the proper alignment pins. Also the pressure plate will cause the pressure plate not to sit flat on the flywheel until you bolt id down. It should bolt up exactly like the OEM flywheel as they are the same thing, just a different material.
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Originally Posted by TurboTechRacing
Does the box say part number 198201, if so it is the right one. Make sure the disc is not upside down, and that the clutch lines up on the proper alignment pins. Also the pressure plate will cause the pressure plate not to sit flat on the flywheel until you bolt id down. It should bolt up exactly like the OEM flywheel as they are the same thing, just a different material.
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Once you bolt it down it doesnt pull the pressure plate to the flywheel? I dont see why it wouldnt.... That looks normal to me. If it just sat on there, the disc would have to pressure against it and it wouldnt hold. That gap you see will turn into pressure against the flywheel, disc, pressure plate. Can you bolt it down to they flywheel? careful to make sure the bolts are threaded straight....
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I could be completely f'ed up on this one, but why would my new clutch and old flywheel as well as my old clutch line up flush at first? I am so confused right now, and ultimately upset with myself if you are right. The holes are stripped out because the pressure plate would not bolt down, thus we resorted back the stock flywheel because it lined up on the guide pins and bolted down perfectly. There was little to no gap between the pressure plate and flywheel.
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Take it to a local dealer and see what they say about it, some times it is better to get a sencond opinion, that can actually see the setup...
Also, they should not strip if they were started right (the bolts) it is 6061 aluminum you will break a bolt before you could torque it down enough to pull the threads out, of the aluminum flywheel.
Also, they should not strip if they were started right (the bolts) it is 6061 aluminum you will break a bolt before you could torque it down enough to pull the threads out, of the aluminum flywheel.
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I have realized I am a complete idiot. I'm sure Fidanza will tell me that tomorrow. I should have had a better understanding of how the whole clutch/flywheel/pressureplate assembly worked before jumping to the conclusion that it didn't fit. My buddy is a mechanic and he was the one actually bolting down the pressure plate to the flywheel when it stipped out. I thought it was because it didn't sit flush, but I guess it wont sit flush because that is what holds the clutch plate in place! I just still don't understand why the stock flywheel sat flush or near flush to the pressureplate.
I just hope that what is in the car now will work fine. I guess I'll be out the $300 after all. That is the car gods telling me to slow down and chill again.
I just hope that what is in the car now will work fine. I guess I'll be out the $300 after all. That is the car gods telling me to slow down and chill again.
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Originally Posted by 2K5SS/SC?
.... That is the car gods telling me to slow down and chill again.
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Thanks for the vouch of confidence. Good news is the slight squeel I have in the car right is a result of the clutch needing to be bled again. The DOT 3 resivoir is near empty thus meaning the clutch still needs to be bled more. I'll do it tomorrow, and all will be well.
Now, where can I bury the damn flywheel so I never have to see it again? Maybe I could use it for an ornament on my new garage wall as a reminder instead?
Now, where can I bury the damn flywheel so I never have to see it again? Maybe I could use it for an ornament on my new garage wall as a reminder instead?
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