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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:08 PM
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? Shift w/o clutch

Just wondering if you can shift an 06 ss/sc with out the clutch.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:10 PM
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not recommended. But the new lnf powertrain is no lift to shift so you don't have to take your foot off the gas kinda weird first couple times you do it.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:12 PM
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yes any car that has stick you can shift with out pressing the clutch in but not something to do if not done right it will make your clutch start slipping faster
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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lets just stick with using the clutch, shall we.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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^^x2
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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^agreed
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:19 PM
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^agreed
man, even the new guy is chiming in.

on modern cars, there is no good reason to not use the clutch. it's like double clutching, part of a bygone era.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:22 PM
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lol i remember when i was like 14 and thought double clutching was the s**t and messed up my bro's s10 pickup trying to do it lol!!! good times good times i remember trying to do right after i say The Fast & Furious
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by craigk_c19
lol i remember when i was like 14 and thought double clutching was the s**t and messed up my bro's s10 pickup trying to do it lol!!! good times good times i remember trying to do right after i say The Fast & Furious
lmao, in my 81 320i, i have to when i am driving slowly. damn old syncros.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by spaz
not recommended. But the new lnf powertrain is no lift to shift so you don't have to take your foot off the gas kinda weird first couple times you do it.
how does that feel? sounds interesting...
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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thanks. I was just wondering.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:28 PM
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i forgot the correct term of it but its possible to do though not something you should REALLY do.

it WILL most likely 97% **** your clutch up ASAP.


what you do is shift into neutral while giving it enough gas to put the RPM at the EXACT place where the car is supposed to be and i forgot the correct terms used but the car then thinks (yes i said think) the clutch was used and puts the car into gear without grind.


if you do it right, it wont grind. but still badddddd
if you do it wrong you might as well get a new clutch and probably a tranny with that.


again i dont know the correct terms or exactly what happens but thats how it is.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:29 PM
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My friend Ralph did it all the time in his 06 Cobalt SS, He was such a good driver so he knew what he was doing. When he traded it back into the dealer they told him he barely messed up the clutch and it was fine. So he didnt mess up anything
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:31 PM
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your run up the rpm's let off the gas and shift will slide right out and right into the next gear. But I wouldnt do it. Def not recommended in owners manual
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Coblt ss super
My friend Ralph did it all the time in his 06 Cobalt SS, He was such a good driver so he knew what he was doing. When he traded it back into the dealer they told him he barely messed up the clutch and it was fine. So he didnt mess up anything
I'd rather not "barely mess up my clutch" at all.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:33 PM
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yeah you just have to know what your doing!
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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I believe it's called "rev matching" and yes, it's where you match the rev's of the engine with that of the tranny, and if done correctly, the shifter should slide right into gear with no grinding. But I would just use the clutch. It's there for a reason
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteSSBalt
I'd rather not "barely mess up my clutch" at all.
yeah but the mechanic said himself "Looks like you barely drove the car"
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Coblt ss super
yeah but the mechanic said himself "Looks like you barely drove the car"
I guess. Using my clutch dosen't seem like such a hassle, so i'll continue to do so, lol.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteSSBalt
I guess. Using my clutch dosen't seem like such a hassle, so i'll continue to do so, lol.

yeah he was so lazy to press the clutch since he doesnt use it in his Mack also
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Coblt ss super
yeah he was so lazy to press the clutch since he doesnt use it in his Mack also
lol ok
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Coblt ss super
yeah he was so lazy to press the clutch since he doesnt use it in his Mack also
a semi is a little bit different.
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 09:53 PM
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Wow. Last time I heard of someone doing this was my grandpa in his Ford Fairlane back in the 60's. That kinda let me know early on in life that it really wasn't necessary anymore. Only thing I do is occasionally pop the car out of gear by accident when my right hand is faster than my clutch foot. I'm in the action of shifting anyway, so it doesn't matter too much.

On a side note, some of those semi truck drivers are frickin' wizards with a manual tranny, wouldn't be surprised if they could do it on our cars.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 05BlackCobaltSS
I believe it's called "rev matching" and yes, it's where you match the rev's of the engine with that of the tranny, and if done correctly, the shifter should slide right into gear with no grinding. But I would just use the clutch. It's there for a reason
nah not rev matching.

rev matching is shifting to where the car doesnt jump let it be up or downshifting.

you put the rpms (when using the clutch) in the exact place where the car wants to be in and its not going to make the car bounce.



or from http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=rev%20matching

REV MATCHING is a driving technique for shifting a manual transmission smoothly. One simply memorizes approximately how many RPMs different the various gears are from one another at the same speed, and then matches the engine's revs with the gear they are shifting in to. When upshifting, you just let the revs drop and slip into gear. When downshifting, you tap the throttle (or stomp on it depending on how long it takes to rev up.) This is often referred to as 'blipping' it. This works easily primarily because of the syncromesh gears in your transmission; if your transmission does not have them, this is very, very difficult to do without grinding. Even so, it takes the right touch.

For example, in one car the gears might all be approximately 1,000 RPM apart at the same speed. When downshifting from third to second, for example, you would apply accelerator pressure to raise the engine RPMs by 1,000 (say, from 3,000 to 4,000) and make your shift. You can then use engine braking to reduce your speed.

This practice results in reduced brake wear, less of a lurch when shifting from a higher gear to a lower one, less clutch slippage when shifting from a lower gear to a higher one, and a smoother shift without having to slip the clutch so much.
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 07:17 AM
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I think the term is "slick shifting" it can be done on some older cars.
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