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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 02:54 PM
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Hypothetically, wouldn't it be easier to just swap the motor, trans, etc to the trunk and make it rear engine? You'd have to move the fuel tank and mess with some of the suspension and whatnot, but then you wouldn't have to worry about all the complications of a drivetrain, new tranny, etc, etc.
i think i see what you're saying: basically, swap an lnf with a rwd tranny from a solstice or sky??? It makes sense, however, those cars were built with the intention of being rwd. Their engine sits in such a way as to allow the tranny to connect to rear wheels. Cobalts were never meant to be rwd, and as such the way the engine sits would make it incredibly difficult to transfer the power to the rear wheels.
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Originally Posted by Billig ss/sc
Hypothetically, wouldn't it be easier to just swap the motor, trans, etc to the trunk and make it rear engine? You'd have to move the fuel tank and mess with some of the suspension and whatnot, but then you wouldn't have to worry about all the complications of a drivetrain, new tranny, etc, etc.
I have been thinking about that myself but not gonna spend the money to try.
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 02:55 PM
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 02:55 PM
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 02:57 PM
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you're also gonna need a hefty amount of bracing in the rear end to mount the axle. i could see a lot of the metal back there just buckling from not being designed to handle the power being put down back there
This is true. I wonder how much reinforcement it would need. Hmmm....

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i think i see what you're saying: basically, swap an lnf with a rwd tranny from a solstice or sky??? It makes sense, however, those cars were built with the intention of being rwd. Their engine sits in such a way as to allow the tranny to connect to rear wheels. Cobalts were never meant to be rwd, and as such the way the engine sits would make it incredibly difficult to transfer the power to the rear wheels.
I mean basically taking everything from the front of the car, motor, trans, axles, etc. And just picking it up and dropping it in the trunk set up the same way as it is in the front of the car now.

Like Ex said, you'd need to reinforce the rear, but I feel like it wouldn't be *that* hard to do. And probably easier/cheaper than keeping the motor in the front of the car.
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^^^yeah, but at this point I wouldn't even say that's a cobalt....i mean, it's just a stripped body. I get it though, it's been done, but I'd like to see a dd rwd cobalt.
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 02:58 PM
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I have been thinking about that myself but not gonna spend the money to try.
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 02:58 PM
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why not take the drivetrain out of a solstice/sky, mount the engine in the trunk of the cobalt and the axle under the hood. talk about a mind ****.
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Billig ss/sc
Like Ex said, you'd need to reinforce the rear, but I feel like it wouldn't be *that* hard to do. And probably easier/cheaper than keeping the motor in the front of the car.
idk, b/c now the front end is extremely light and wouldn't make for a very well balanced ride. You'd sure as a bigger trunk though, that's for sure
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 03:00 PM
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good luck!!! isnt VicRedSS like thousands upon thousands into his build???not to mention a few years and who knows how many man hours... but good luck and in for pics!!!
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 03:02 PM
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red was building an all out race car though. he knew he'd be spending money to do it properly. a "cheap" supercomp cobalt turnkey is about $125k. ~$75k-$95k rolling chassis. and then he just kept getting screwed over but decided to stick with it
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 03:05 PM
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op just go buy one of these

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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 03:06 PM
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good luck with the build though. would be nice to see someone complete a garage rwd swap
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 03:06 PM
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VicRed could've bought a supercar for how much he's put into his. It's gonna be awesome when it's done. But there's no way I'd have the patience for it.
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 03:06 PM
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i sat down one day and read reds whole build thread it was awesome and sad... but u gotta give him props for stickin with it...
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 03:09 PM
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ok....i want pics now.....PIK-TARS!!!!!!
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 03:47 PM
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Billig ss/sc
Hypothetically, wouldn't it be easier to just swap the motor, trans, etc to the trunk and make it rear engine? You'd have to move the fuel tank and mess with some of the suspension and whatnot, but then you wouldn't have to worry about all the complications of a drivetrain, new tranny, etc, etc.
Have had the same thought - doable perhaps but you would be talking a complete reengineering of the rear structure of the car. Strut towers, cradle mounts, reenforcment to replace all the metal you would have to cut. Not something you're going to do in the average garage over a few weekends, and not cheap.....

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idk, b/c now the front end is extremely light and wouldn't make for a very well balanced ride. You'd sure as a bigger trunk though, that's for sure
You would be relocating the battery and fuel tank (custom built fuel cell more like) as well as the spare to the front. Also, you will note that the engine sits ahead of the drive axles, swapping everything to the rear puts the "heavy" motor inside the wheelbase instead of outside. Might have to run some numbers tonight, I think the balance would be pretty close on 50/50

Not sure about the "bigger" trunk, ours is pretty fair sized for a small car - assuming you can squeeze it through that ridiculous little opening

Of course, you would have to run lines for the cooling system, hvac, extend wiring harnesses, shift cables, clutch hose, etc. to the front - nothing overwhelming but a lot of custom fab work.

Once you got everything in place and mounted, you are looking at custom springs because the front is going to be lighter than it was - think your stocker has a big wheel gap now? Take 300 lbs (or more) off the front and look at it
Change the spring rates and you need to look at revalving the struts - $$$$$$$$




Save the time, money, and busted knuckles - get yourself an MR2
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 08:59 PM
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ill get some photos of what i have done now which isn't a lot i have spent a lot of time tracking down parts and am still waiting on some to arrive. i have the rear end pulled and mocked up where the new rear end will be. the new rear end is a 1/2 inch wider but will still fit in the wheel wells and use the same rim size. i'm in the process of pulling the motor so i can attach the tranny and find out my clearances, lengths and locations of everything under the car. the drive shaft is not together but have the parts for fab. i will be working on this for a while guys and i know there will be a lot of custom fab but i have the will and have not jumped in to this with out doing by research and almost a year and a half into the design. once major work has started th epics will keep coming
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 09:07 PM
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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 09:08 PM
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one of these again eh, guess Ill grab my popcorn
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