Just wondering what this piece Powell sent me for $150 is. I ordered a stage 2 aftermarket rotated front mount for my 06 HHR manual F23 tranny. This looks to be just the $50 stock replacement IMO.
Am I wrong? I emailed Powell but no response yet.
New to ecotec builds and I'm not saying I got ripped, just wondering what exactly I got?

 

For the F23 mounts I believe he uses a stock mount but changes the bushing to his own.
If you emailed him just be patient, he always gets back to people and has great customer service.

 

that is a rotated mount. f23 cars utilize the stock mount with powells bushings put in

 

Thanks 08G5GT2.4L and BLAZIN07SS.

So basically it's the stock mount with different bushings. If it works well then I have no issues. I will have a stage 3 turbo kit on soon but the HHR will be my daily driver so I was looking for a mount that won't vibrate as much as the others. I'm assuming I don't need an aftermarket engine mount with this.

 

This is what your stock mount looks like. I know because I pulled them on the L61 in my last cobalt when I swapped to poly mounts.


The Powell mount uses less rubber and moves the mounting point away from center, I assume tilting the engine forward. It looks like the outer bushing part is a harder rubber on yours too.

 

interesting, very interesting. That China bushing is a Dorman cobalt suspension bushing

 

Yes, he uses the rear FE5 control arm bushing for less movement, but it is rubber, so less vibes. Then he presses it into a clocked metal bushing as you can see in the OP. The clocked bushing rotates the motor and aligns the axles for less wheel hop and healthy happy CV joints

Definitely not stock mount.

 

I understand that, I have rotated mounts, they are billet front and back. Its the bushing I found interesting.

 

No worries, i was commenting on your post, and replying to the OP at the same time haha

 

For sure, world wide parts sourcing is todays reality.
Tthe bushing is either OEM or replacement, and made for Dorman, and yes many parts we use are made in China. 60% of the GM Camaro parts in build come from China. Many of the parts we buy from CED OEM are made in China. The Oil pan for the LNF is made in Israel. The LNF TOB is made in Czechoslovakia. The insert is not the Bilstein vdub insert used by other vendors in copies, which tears easily, and the insert is not poly which wears and vibrates. I think Blazon 07SS has had his rotated mount with the same insert for many years now, so we know it works.

. I am very specific about our mounts (OP I have NO email from you in my inbox and I was at the track all day today, just checked and answered all emails from today, I will check junk or you can resend) ALSO I send out via email complete instructions and I believe I did the same for you, with pictures and descriptions of each mount.

So your post is misleading to say the least. We dont sell, and I dont recommend a "stage 2" mount for the 2.2/2.4. I do suggest, depending on the year of a car, the LNF rear mount with the set up you received.
If you dont like it, please return it unused for a full refund right away. Thank you.

Here is what you would have received, the first part at least. This information can be found elsewhere on this site. EVERYONE who asks for a 2.2 mount is told the same thing, it is based on a new composite GM mount. Its not economic to make a complete mount for the 2.2 front out of alloy or steel it would cost too much. It cant be made out of a block of delrin or similar it would just shatter.

If I recall, you had trouble with your stock mount breaking and if you are that person ( I get lots of emails) I told you I have had zero trouble with these mounts.

QUOTE:
We make three type of rotated mounts:
• aluminum 4130 machined with A class voided bushing all LNF 2008-2010 /LSJ 2005/2007 includes Cobalt and Ion Redline except 2004- currently out of stock, no plans to make more.
• steel dom machined and welded with A class voided bushing all LNF/LSJ and similar construction with different pick up points for 2004 Ion Redline
• composite pressed and inserted with A class voided bushing all F23 trans Cobalt/Ion 2005-2010
All these mounts are designed to lift the motor at the rear, lower the position of the motor at the front, and allow the torque axis upper mounts to reposition. There are two stages: stage 1 is a replacement front mount and a keyhole rear mount insert to space the stock mount upwards. Stage 1 is recommended for almost all use.
Stage 2 includes everything in stage 1 save that the keyhole spacer is not needed, as the rise is built into the mount.
Over the past 9 years, we have made four types of rotated mounts:

• stock housing rotated mounts with aluminum and composite centers, specifically for racing with terrible vibrations.
• aluminum 4130 machined with A class voided bushing all LNF 2008-2010 /LSJ 2005/2007 includes Cobalt and Ion Redline except 2004

• steel dom machined and welded with A class voided bushing all LNF/LSJ and similar construction with different pick up points for 2004 Ion Redline
• stock composite housing pressed and inserted with A class voided bushing all F23 trans Cobalt/Ion 2005-2010
All these mounts are designed to lift the motor at the rear, lower the position of the motor at the front, and allow the torque axis upper mounts to reposition. There are two stages: stage 1 is a replacement front mount and a keyhole rear mount insert to space the stock mount upwards. Stage 1 is recommended for almost all use. Stage 1.5 if you like, includes an LNF stock rear mount for folks with LSJ or F23 transmission cars who want a little more stability.
Stage 2 includes everything in stage 1 save that the keyhole spacer is not needed, as the rise is built into the mount.

 

If you are C.S then this is my reply to you on your request for information and mounts and you talked of a turbo conversion that you intend to make using ZZP parts:


"Our F23 rotated mount should help you, we have that in stock. The open diff in your trans you will have to be cautious; if you spin one wheel too much you risk breaking the star gears in the differential itself. ZZP do some awesome power levels, I would suggest ( my preference) Exedy stage 1 which is rated to those power levels and not expensive, or SouthBend for the clutch, ZZP know those folks at Southbend and can suggest a clutch for you."

I will check the shipping information to see if with the tracking number I sent out the install information.,

 

If you have billet rotated mounts with half inch spacers in alloy each side of the insert, its a Bilstein bushing that costs 6 dollars and is most probably already failing if you look at it closely.
just suggesting you look.
If the bushing has .250 spacers each side, its a better insert. You probably purchased them from another vendor.
If the bushing is solid without voids its a ZZP mount, not rotated, and its a Malibu control arm insert.

 

still on those very same billet rotated transmission mounts. purchased in January 2009

 

^^^ thanks Blazin' - One of the most loyal of the Cobalt Nation.

 

Yes that is me. Sent email to Gloria at 3pm CST today, I didn't expect a reply back until next week. I appreciate the time you took to reply to my original email before I ordered, I was just concerned I got the wrong part and obviously I got the right part for the right reason.

No install info with mount but I have a mechanic with 30+ years of building hotrods so I'm assuming he can figure it out, if there is something specific I need to know let me know.

The entire reason for this thread was to get verification I got the right mount, verification I got.

As for the stage 2 claim I got this from hhrfreek at the hhr site who claims he has used your stage 2 mount on his HHR, he is the one who actually suggested I go with your mount over TTR tranny mounts for less wheel hop. His HHR is a SS so maybe he just used the stage 2 wording out of habit or whatever. So that's where I got the stage 2 wording.

I will post back after turbo install and dyno and let people know about the wheel hop and vibs. I'm sure it will all be great.

Thanks John.

 

Thank you! Email on the way to you with the info. Gloria was at the track as well doing data acquisition so I bet she has not been online checking emails lol.

 

 

I dont want to get into another vendor dispute about mounts, you make really good products and your reputation precedes you constantly. But I am call it as I see it. This forum is full of that whether its opinion or supported.

Just really surprised at your OTS bushing choice.

My OTTP billet mounts are good mounts, the bushings are from Bilstein (made in Germany), I am beating them up daily, and they have held thus far. I also find my billet OTTP mounts very nice and low vibration for a very comfortable daily driver even with my balance shafts removed. Car is smooth.

You keep referring to the Bilstiens as a "6 dollar", "probably already failing" but that is just nonsense. Your china mount above is 15 bucks on amazon, so its probably 8 dollars your cost. I guess that would put this in the category of already failing.

Everybody has copied your mount but the only one you constantly have issues with is OTTP's. If it was such a big deal why wasnt a patent filed. I think you have made this personal over the years and there are a ton of people running these mounts to any amount of significant failures.

I understand you probably dont agree with the above but the people who are buying things from vendors on here need to know that there is a conflict of interest when it comes to a vendor bashing another vendor when they dont know the there is history there. So your opinion on that is going to affect your feeling of their product.

 

I did not quote the vendors name. You did. There is no conflict of interest, the Bilstein bushing failing is well known.

I am the guy who first sourced it , as I tried to take the cost out of the mount, as the vendor I supplied wanted it cheaper etc.

And I am the guy who identified the failure and replaced a bunch of them, FOC including some for mounts not made by me.

If you check the public record court records in Macomb county MI you will find that OTT settled ,a day before the scheduled court date a few months ago, a suit brought by me against them for non payment of a pretty large sum of money for parts he received. Over two years ago.

So ya, damn right I have issues. Go read the court documents.

That does not take away from the fact that the Bilstein bushing most likely wont stand up. I have had one GM insert fail brand new(on Noors new mount), and I replaced the entire mount at no cost to him. Perhaps you should take a look at your mounts.



So far the Dorman ones have not failed. I cant buy them for less than 15 dollars, so you are not right on that. I dont buy them off amazon. But they could fail. It is possible. I wont turn my back on any customer who has issues, even though I sometimes replace parts that have clearly been butchered on install.

end rant. Do yourself a favor, go look closely at your mount inserts.

 

i have seen three locals destroy ottp mounts. complete bushing failure. what was odd about it though was that on every one that would fail, they would always push out of the mount towards the passenger side

 

Right on. If the mount is not balanced and the motor falls to one side, I think it is possible for the mount to take the path of least resistance as it fails...thats the only thing I can think of. As the drivers side is the trans side and the trans is heavy on that side, and the upper drivers side mount is very soft and no real horizontal stiffness, it makes sense that if the front mount failed, the motor would shift to the drivers side, with the mount itself bolted to the trans housing, leaving the insert sticking out the passenger side. What do you think of that theory?

I have had a guy fail those vendors mounts up here, and so far the car has not made it to the shop for me to see it and understand why , other than it does have bilstein inserts ( I am interested in whats happening)

 

I had OTTP mounts for 7 months and when I took then out they were destroyed. Had Powells for well over a year and still look new

 

^^ this. Thanks. Also there is no way to know for sure that the Bilstein insert is made in Germany. It is a terrible bushing in terms of being out of round, not that GM ones are perfect but they are a lot better.

But where were these parts made?

Pedders springs the website say are made in Australia. I suspect based on the failures I have seen and the material we have analyzed , that they are made of, that they have had these springs made in Indonesia, which has established a cheap supply chain of spring manufacturers.

The problem with parts made in China is quality control. And its up to the manufacturer to prove to the end purchaser ( GM, Dorman or whoever) to make sure the plants standards meet QC ISO standards.

Its clear that inside the supply chain, some suppliers of parts in China sub contract the stuff and therefore its a hard call sometimes. And some stuff out of Taiwan is very well made. New Cruze has a lot of Daewoo Korean parts in it, thats where the platform came from. The pseudo ecotect motor is a daewoo made in Flint MI. weird stuff. None of your android or apple phones are made here iirc.

So far for me no complaints on what I am supplying for the most part.

 

I don't quite remember, but I believe I had both versions of John's mount. Ended up with the billet set in for over a year. They're probably in the car still, making that almost 4 years in service and I'm sure they are still fine. Ill be the first to say the best cobalt parts are made in Canada. I wish I still had the emails from going back and forth over the time attack beam, but you will not find a more open, honestly transparent business than Powell.

Ask and you will get answers. Simple.

 

ok ill add my success story. ive had powell mounts in my ss/sc for longer than i can remember. they are the original design, the factory mount bracket with the offset insert and the control arm bushing.i went with the stage 2 or was it 3? it was both front and rear mounts and the spacer under the rear.

anyways, im taking a stab at it guessing ive had them for roughly 3 years and 75,000km, they still look just fine.