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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 11:21 PM
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TVS LSJ FTW!











YouTube - MVI_4458.AVI

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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrhdpaintball
good work... thanks for taking the time to accually do some dyno testing and sharing it with others..

getting a little bit of knock up top?
The highest power pull had a hit of knock at 7k .. only one of the day.. but it did..lol
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 11:38 PM
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TVS LSJ FTW!
Thanks bud
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 383_Stroker
Then i took ebristols suggestion:


Previous green line is the original pull 4 timing table, the blue is ebristol's suggestion (and the highest of the day)

I win! I win!

Those are pretty good numbers with your setup.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 11:50 PM
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Do you have a dyno run of that 312hp in your sig? I bet your TQ is much better too.
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Old Nov 23, 2010 | 11:56 PM
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Lookin good! Some nice clean comparisons there.

Would you mind posting a table view of the timing table you made the best pull on? I would like to just compare it to some of my tables I have made. If not thats understandable
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ebristol
Do you have a dyno run of that 312hp in your sig? I bet your TQ is much better too.


Blue line is sept dyno, Red line is today
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by InfraRedline
Lookin good! Some nice clean comparisons there.

Would you mind posting a table view of the timing table you made the best pull on? I would like to just compare it to some of my tables I have made. If not thats understandable
PM me your email address
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 12:14 AM
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Pm'd!
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 12:38 AM
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I like this
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by proZak
Haha this is the gimpy first pull where it unexplainable flattened out and then took back off
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 383_Stroker
Blue line is sept dyno, Red line is today
At what RPM in your timing table are you commanded your peak timing?
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ebristol
At what RPM in your timing table are you commanded your peak timing?
I'll get back with ya after work on that..
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 383_Stroker
I'll get back with ya after work on that..
I follow a theory called Max Torque Timing. I think it results in the best street tune.

Basically, you should be commanding your peak timing just before your engine makes peak tq. On the TVS, that is right around 4750. So if your peak timing is 25 degrees, you should be commanded 25 degrees in the cell before 4750. Whatever that is.

And ramp that timing a little harder and you will have much better TQ. Your HP numbers are right inline with most people on that setup. But your TQ is still behind.

If you are running 50/50 gasoline/E85 that should be plenty of octane to push the timing even harder.

I know there are going to be some people who will jump in this thread and say things like, "you could make a lot more blah, blah, blah..." Some people want you think that tuning the LSJ is rocket science. But it is not.

I would rather help you get there then criticize.

It looks like you have a pretty good street tune. The car must feel pretty good.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ebristol
I follow a theory called Max Torque Timing. I think it results in the best street tune.

Basically, you should be commanding your peak timing just before your engine makes peak tq. On the TVS, that is right around 4750. So if your peak timing is 25 degrees, you should be commanded 25 degrees in the cell before 4750. Whatever that is.

And ramp that timing a little harder and you will have much better TQ. Your HP numbers are right inline with most people on that setup. But your TQ is still behind.

If you are running 50/50 gasoline/E85 that should be plenty of octane to push the timing even harder.

I know there are going to be some people who will jump in this thread and say things like, "you could make a lot more blah, blah, blah..." Some people want you think that tuning the LSJ is rocket science. But it is not.

I would rather help you get there then criticize.

It looks like you have a pretty good street tune. The car must feel pretty good.
Thanks for the advice man.

I think it's actually peaking earlier than that (at one point i played with having it rise to 26* to redline after hitting 25* when it crested, but i finished off with it rising to 25* and holding there).. i think it might be reaching 25* at 4300 or so.. but i'll look once i have my laptop in front of me.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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ws, you have a timing map of win
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 01:14 PM
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It's about time we started seeing threads with actually beneficial information in them again.

Best of luck 383...
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 01:15 PM
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ws, you have a timing map of win
I want a timing map of win...
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 04:46 PM
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It's hard to see the small graph of eBristol's timing suggestion... did you drop timing back down a degree after peak tq?
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bika
It's hard to see the small graph of eBristol's timing suggestion... did you drop timing back down a degree after peak tq?
That screen shot actually is from the next pull i did where i bumped it up 1/2* as it built to redline (not down).. the better dyno chart was flat to redline.. i didn't notice i'd pulled the wrong screenshot til you asked though..
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 04:57 PM
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Ahh. I thought i saw a bump in that graph.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 383_Stroker
I want a timing map of win...
run straight e85. 50/50 can't handle it.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 05:14 PM
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so the better result was holding peak timing from right before 4750 all the way out the top... I'm probly hitting the dyno again sometime in December and need to rework my afr and timing. With no meth and no e85, I set it to a flat 20* from 3k to 7k. I know thats way too soon but it sees no KR, and i bring in the fuel pretty rich at the same time.

Im trying to squeeze more out of the 80mm pulley and get it over 300 before I do other stuff to up the boost and cooling
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 05:59 PM
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Flat timing across the board = slow as **** car.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bika
I set it to a flat 20* from 3k to 7k.
That is too early. That is the way some of the old timers used to do it.

Run your max timing, 20 degrees by the cell 4608. Ramp the timing in front of that cell.
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