So i need some peoples opinion on this before i decide if i want to try this out. I have noticed a regular lancer acouple of months ago with a front mount inter cooler so i talked to the guy and learned he did not even have a turbo, he had it goin from his air filter then in threw the inter cooler then into his cold air intake which then as we all know cause into the throttle body and so on, now im sitten their laughing cause to me it just says "hey i wanna look like i have a turbo" but my question is do u think it would help any or just make it worse. I guess the air would be alot colder when entering the intake into the super charger but would that be too much of a distance for the air to travel????? Could i please get some peoples prof. opinions on this b 4 me trying this out. i know there are other things to do to make the air colder goin in...but a front mount inter cooler would make the car look pretty damn sweet i think.

 

no gain, you're cooling off ambient air with same temperature ambient air, ie you're not cooling anything.

 

in theory youd be cooling off incomming air..which i dont think you really want to do...but anyways no you wont be seeing any gains

 

ok but to add to this i have the old nitrous kit from my old car which i have the intercooler spray, so i can def get the air traveling throw alot colder, that kit spraying into the intercooler use to give me anywhere from a 40 to 60 horsepower gain, what are ur thoughts about doin that???? i just really wanna know if its too much of a distance for the air 2 travel from the filter to the the SC

 

well the nitrous is a different story...but i would still say that even blowing nitrous through the intake isnt going to be a very good idea...and the intercooler just isnt going to have any justifiable turn out

 

i wouldnt be blowin through the intake it would just be blowin on the intercooler to cool the air goin through....but what it is lookin like it would just be too much money for no hp gain unless i spray the intercooler but then u never know that little bit of hp gain when sprayin could be anough to pull ahead of a faster car, colder air goin through ur intake doesnt hurt the motor does it???

 

useless

 

thats a LOT of money to be spending on a potential couple horsepower. air to air ICs aren't cheap, and neither is nitrous.

 

i have everything i need from my old car besides an intercooler......and an intercooler is only like 100 bucks on ebay, plus i dont want the nitrous kit i have to go to waste and i dont want to actually spray it in the motor, the only thing im worried about is if it will be too far for the air to flow from the air filter which will end up on the passenger side through the intercooler to the super charger...thats my biggest concern

 

it wont be too far to flow, but your still talking about spending $100+ on an intercooler (air to air ICs are more expensive than air to water ICs...generally), plus your going to be spending money filling up that nitrous bottle from spraying nitrous on the IC.

if you DONT spray the nitrous (or other liquid), then there is definitely zero gain to be had, and you'll just lose throttle response. Dont forget theres labor t go into all of this. Now, the power to be gained is VERY minimal...like i said, maybe 1hp. You can make your car faster by a margin of 1hp by doing something along the lines of tranny mounts, or even an airbox mod ($35) which will definitely yield more power than all this crap your doing. There is just ZERO point in doing this....

 

well thanks for the advice, now if i wanted to hook up an air to water IC, around how much gain does that give me and how exactly do u hook it up, what is supose to run through it????? i could do it myself if i had a general idea of its purpose, i use to be an av-8b mech. i can do anything : ) lol

 

Okay, stop.

In your very own first post you say you laughed at the guy, but then you go on to say "Should I do it?" and make it sound like you really want to.

Don't.

Really, don't.

It will do absolutely nothing for you except cost you money. If you want nitrous, get nitrous. But that would have nothing to do with an intercooler.

 

you have to realize...your not cooling anything off using an IC on a non-boosted car. the whole point of an IC on a boosted car is that once the air passes through a supercharger or turbocharger and is compressed, it is a lot hotter, say 140*. If the air outside is only 80*, you can have the hot air flow through an intercooler to cool it down to a temperature closer to 80*. Now, if you install an IC on a car without FI, your trying to cool off 80* air with more 80* air...
explain to me why you think this is possible at all?

 

i have a supercharger, i have the 2.8 pulley with 60 pound injectors.... how would an air 2 water ic cooler benefit me???? what exactly does it do???

 

if you have a SS/SC, then your car comes with an air to water IC. you really need to search around and learn how this stuff works. go look up intercooler on wikipedia. im sure there will be some great explanations.

 

thanks hunter thats what i have been doin here the last hour... i pretty much get it now, i also noticed u can change out ur old one 4 an after market one.... is it worth doin

 

a LOT of members do that. Most will just run the stock one and an aftermarket one at the same time, but some chose to remove the old one altogether. there's usually a bigger gain to be had if you keep the stock one and just add another one in series

 

Ya know, if you had told us a little earlier that you have and LSJ engine, that would have made things a lot easier to understand!

Okay, as it appears things have been explained, you know understand that your intake manifold serves as a water-to-air intercooler, and then the water is cooled via its own separate radiator (heat exchanger) up front. After market HE's (heat exchanger again) can help, but the real problem the LSJ engine have always had is the intake manifold itself. It's horrible. That's why people are willing to completely remove it and the supercharger and go with a turbo installation instead.

 

lol ur right that prob would have been alot more helpful information in the first place.... and 2 what hunter said how would u be able to hook both of them up together????

 

running 2 air-water intercoolers is easy. You can just really insert it anywhere into the system. for example, the intake manifold has hosing that leads to the pump which then leads to the stock intercooler which leads back to the intake manifold.

basically, it looks like this
manifold > pump > heat exchanger > back to manifold.

You can insert a second one just like this
manifold > pump > heat exchanger > heat exchanger #2 > back to manifold

 

Remember, the LSJ system is not an "intercooler". There are four parts happening. The incoming air charge is cooled by laminovs within the manifold. The laminovs are cooled by circulated water. The water is cooled by a radiator on the front of the car. The radiator is cooled by the ambient air. A second HE is just an additional radiator to help further cool the water. An intercooler on has 2 steps (an hence is a bit more efficient). The intake air charge is cooled directly by the intercooler, which is cooled by the ambient air.

As an example, if your water comes out of the manifold at say 150°, and the ambient temp is 80°, then the stock HE can drop the water to about half the difference, say 115°. Adding another HE will allow you drop that a little further, probably about another half the difference, to around 100°.

You can't think of it like an intercooler because there is more going on. An intercooler acts directly on the intake air charge. The LSJ system does not.

Heat Exchanger is a common term used to describe anything that exchanges heat between air and some other kind of medium. That could be more air, or water, or oil, or whatever. Examples are radiators, intercoolers, heater cores, evaporators, condensors, or even oil pans (yes, seriously).

 

I like the way he explains that lol. good example and everything

 

i am assuming that as the OP said, he researched this and knows what i am referring to. I used the term intercooler instead of heat exchanger simply to keep it simpler for him (this is why i distinguish between air-air IC and air-water IC frequently in my explanations)
but thanks for clarifying that for him if he didnt understand. I was just kind of assuming after all