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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:10 PM
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Superchargers need a timer?

sorry in advance if i posted this in the wrong area but im need to the whole spuercharger area of cars i just picked up a 05 cobalt ss/sc and was wondering if i would need a timer like a turbo does? yeah stupid question but i dont know if you will need time for everything to cool down and come back to normal temp or can you just shut off the car unlike a turbo one where youd have to wait or have a turbo timer installed
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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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well, really turbo cars don't need a timer either, unless you're a person who beats his car and then shuts it off. if you drive a stock car like a sane person, you shouldn't need it.

moreover, a blown car does NOT need one. at all.
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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
well, really turbo cars don't need a timer either, unless you're a person who beats his car and then shuts it off. if you drive a stock car like a sane person, you shouldn't need it.

moreover, a blown car does NOT need one. at all.
so there really no use or point for a timer on a supercharged car...i just thought it would be cool to walk away from it and still have the car at idel knowing you have the keys but thats just me
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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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well the whole point is not letting that hot oil stay in the system.. having a timer allows it to cool down to the right temp after running the car hard.. u can put one on our cars but i don't know enough about it to know if FI cars need it
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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
well, really turbo cars don't need a timer either, unless you're a person who beats his car and then shuts it off. if you drive a stock car like a sane person, you shouldn't need it.

moreover, a blown car does NOT need one. at all.
I agree a blown car does not need one. But I personally think ALL non stock turbo cars must have one. You don't have to beat on the car for the turbo to get hot. after anytime your car goes into boost it needs to cool.
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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:35 PM
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I agree a blown car does not need one. But I personally think ALL non stock turbo cars must have one. You don't have to beat on the car for the turbo to get hot. after anytime your car goes into boost it needs to cool.
Well, you don't *need* one...it's just there for lazy people. All you need to do is sit in you car for 30 seconds or so before you shut it off...listen to the radio, feel up the g/f, etc.

I agree though, that any turbo car should sit at idle for at least 30 seconds after being run hard, and a minute or more if especially hard or high-boosting. All a timer does is keep the car running for you when you're too lazy to do it yourself.
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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:37 PM
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The supercharger is also a self contained lubrication system so the heat will stay in the S/C no matter how long it idles.

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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:39 PM
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who's lazy????
<------- that guyyyy right over there
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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 07:52 PM
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who's lazy????
<------- that guyyyy right over there
im also lazy so im most likly going to go and pick one up
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Old Dec 19, 2006 | 08:06 PM
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S/C cars do not need TURBO timers. At all. It is, like stated above, to allow the hot oil in the turbo to cool otherwhise is ruins the turbine.
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Old Dec 20, 2006 | 08:18 AM
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And turbo cars don't need one if you take and water cool the turbo. Most factory turbo systems include water cooling in addition to oil cooling as most people don't want to sit around waiting on the car, so the manufacturers water cool them to prevent just this problem.
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by p7x
I agree a blown car does not need one. But I personally think ALL non stock turbo cars must have one. You don't have to beat on the car for the turbo to get hot. after anytime your car goes into boost it needs to cool.
well, a non stock car could very easily be something different. i'm talking about a stock, or mostly stock car.
i.e. 2G eclipse with just a catback and turbo timer.
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by HidKidSS
im also lazy so im most likly going to go and pick one up
Once again you don't need one on a supercharged car, especially not a supercharged Cobalt. Here is why:

1. The S/C spins a top of 18,000rpm at redline with a 2.5" pulley. Stock you might get 12,000rpm at redline. Turbos spin several times more than that creating more heat and oil deteriation.

2. The S/C is not exposed to exhaust gas like a turbo does reducing the heat significantly.

3. Eaton S/C's are typically self contained lubrication systems. Turbos tap off the engine oil system and require that the oil leave the turbo to be cooled. The timer allows the car to idle long enough to cool the turbo to a safer, lower temperature that doesn't break down the oil that is sitting in the turbo passages. The stock M62 is a self contained unit meaning it will not recirculate oil. It is completly seperate system from the engine oil.
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Supercharged
Once again you don't need one on a supercharged car, especially not a supercharged Cobalt. Here is why:

1. The S/C spins a top of 18,000rpm at redline with a 2.5" pulley. Stock you might get 12,000rpm at redline. Turbos spin several times more than that creating more heat and oil deteriation.

2. The S/C is not exposed to exhaust gas like a turbo does reducing the heat significantly.

3. Eaton S/C's are typically self contained lubrication systems. Turbos tap off the engine oil system and require that the oil leave the turbo to be cooled. The timer allows the car to idle long enough to cool the turbo to a safer, lower temperature that doesn't break down the oil that is sitting in the turbo passages. The stock M62 is a self contained unit meaning it will not recirculate oil. It is completly seperate system from the engine oil.
ok if thats the whole brake down of a turbo an supercharger then what does the oil tank do for our cars?? sorry im such a newbe to the supercharger world ::
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 11:42 AM
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why buy a timer? the supercharger holds it own oil internaly so your not running the (hot) engine oil threw the blower itself.
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by HidKidSS
ok if thats the whole brake down of a turbo an supercharger then what does the oil tank do for our cars?? sorry im such a newbe to the supercharger world ::

what?....lol our engine oil doesn't enter the s/c.... the s/c has self contained lube system.... so none of the 6-7qts of oil are used for the supercharger.
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HidKidSS
ok if thats the whole brake down of a turbo an supercharger then what does the oil tank do for our cars?? sorry im such a newbe to the supercharger world ::

the oil tank holds the oil for your engine.
No superchargers do not need a timer hints the name "Turbo Timer"
A turbo'd driver could just drive the car easy a few blocks to cool off the car...just as effeciently as a turbo timer.Also before you do any work to your car, get the basicis of how a roots supercharger works, it will teach you alot about the car, and will keep you from making post about a timer for a supercharger
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
well, a non stock car could very easily be something different. i'm talking about a stock, or mostly stock car.
i.e. 2G eclipse with just a catback and turbo timer.
Fair enough the car is basically stock so sure. When I say non stock I mean mild to heavily modded. And painted calibers, SS.net stickers, ITD and being debadged isnt mildly modded.....
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by p7x
Fair enough the car is basically stock so sure. When I say non stock I mean mild to heavily modded. And painted calibers, SS.net stickers, ITD and being debadged isnt mildly modded.....

then we are in agreement.
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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fo sho
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HidKidSS
im also lazy so im most likly going to go and pick one up
Picking up a timer for a s/c car has nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with ignorance. But, I'm sure you've read the rest of the responses by now and have come to that conclusion on your own. Everyone starts somewhere!
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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fo sho

but my SS.net stickers did shave like 4 seconds off of my 1/8 mile times.
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
but my SS.net stickers did shave like 4 seconds off of my 1/8 mile times.
yeah and my hid bulbs gave me a total 10 whp lmao
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Old Dec 21, 2006 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by joeworkstoohard
but my SS.net stickers did shave like 4 seconds off of my 1/8 mile times.
you think thats impressive, dont even get me started on my Stage 3 antenna mod
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