Jn2

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what trim turbo do you guys think would work best for me, i have a 06 2.2l...the turbo i am looking at right now is a
T3 turbo
60 trim
50a/r compressor
.63 a/r turbine
3" inlet for intake
2" outlet
2.5" exhaust outlet
was told it will work for 2.0l-2.5l engines, does that sound right, i wanted a second opinion before i buy b/c i dont want a tturbo i cant spool upi early, now before i get asked 21 questions heres some a QnA

1. what are my hp goals?
- 200whp, 200+wtrq
2. what psi you going to run it?
- wastegate will be set to 8psi
3. where do you want your power?
- would like it to spool somewhere at 2500rpm-3000rpm
4. what is the IC piping size?
- 2.5" all the way
5. will you be intercooled
-yes, the intercooler is 28"long, 6.5" high, inlet/outlet is 2.5"

mike25

60 trim is a bit big...you want ball bearing or journal bearing? and do you want a gt or t3/t4? i think price is more appropriate

Jn2

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i want a t3/t4 journal bearing, so 60 is to big hu? what trim should i get? a 50?

ok i was reading on threadstones faq on turbo sizing this is what i found out, good thing i did more research:
Stepping up to the 60 trim from the 503 turbo, this will allow you run more efficiently when approaching the 450hp mark. This is an all around great versatile turbo combo, and is one of the most popular size turbos we sell.

i dont want no where near 450, 210 would be the max i'd need

mike25

if you only want 210 hp then id go with a t3 super 60 or a 50 trim with low boost

Jn2

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http://www.treadstoneperformance.com...+60+Stage+1.48
u mean that one, thats a t3 super 60, but its a 60 trim, same as the turbo i was plannin on getting

mike25

i forget the difference in size...but i know one exists...the t3/t4's are superior to the super 60's

2K5SS/SC?

60 trim is way to fricken big for those goals! People always oversize their damn turbos when they don't know what they are looking at. Do yourself a favor and go to Garrett's site. They have a 3-4 page informational thing on turbos and how to pick the turbo for your goals using the compressor maps and a little mathematics.

I can tell you right now a 60 trim t3/t4 is way to big. You should be looking at a GT28RS for your car, and it just so happens to be the one Garrett uses in their 2.2 kit they sell. There is a reason why Garrett uses it too, and I'm pretty sure they are the experts here.

As a side note a REAL Mitsubishi Small 16g, a big 16g, or an EVO III 16g would be perfect as well and spool really quick.

Jn2

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**** a 16g, i forgot all about that damn thing...time to start hunting, the 16g uses a tdo5 flange dont it? that means i can still use the vulvan turbo manifold thanks man, oh and i did read thru the garretts 101 on turbos, they have 3 pages of them, but yeah thanks for the info will def get the 16g than

2K5SS/SC?

Yes, the 16g uses a tdo5 flange and Vulcan can hook you right up. Turbochargers.com has new real Mitsubishi 16g's for around $500-$540 shipped. I just bought an EVO III 16g to replace the small 16g I have on my Integra since the small one gave out. Great guys.


As a side note the little 1.8L non vtec in my teggy cranked out 213whp and 208wtrq @ 11psi with the small 16g on a low rating Mustang dyno just using an SAFC to tune it. I think the stock wastegate is set to 8 or 10psi if I remember correctly. Full spool was just before 3500rpms, and the max 208wrtq was at 3500rpms exactly and carried across the board. When I cranked it up to 15psi, it was insane! Your 2.2L should be able to spool it a bit quicker than my 1.8L as well.

Jn2

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what the wastegate set to stock, i will be debating bewteen the small and the big, whats the wastegate set to on both?

2K5SS/SC?

8-10 psi if I remember correctly. 10 seems to be ringing a bell more. I haven't yet to see the new turbo in action as I'm awaiting on my Hondata S300 to come back. Plus, I am currently deployed right now.

Section8cav

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would a 20g be too big ?

Sw4y1313

You should be able to change the wastegate spring in any turbo you buy. The 16G is definitely the turbo you'd want for 210whp. The Mitsu TD04H-19 i have on my car put me right at 212whp/224wtq on 8psi. The hot side is going to kill me though once i crank the boost up to 17psi next week. im hoping to make 280-290whp on just 17psi and a tune. It will flow a bit over 450cfm or 300hp worth of air. I love my TD04 because i had 8psi by 2500rpms and 20psi by 3200rpms.(Dont ask how i know that, lets just say #3 rod went flying).

Im also looking to find a TD05 turbo thats got a T25 flange and flows a good 350hp worth of air.

2K5SS/SC?

Yes! A 20g is good for 500+hp. It will take longer to spool as well. I'm actually looking at Hahn's Super 20g for my Cobalt because I want to hit 350-400whp in the future. I'm sure I could get 350whp though from a nice EVO III 16g very easily though.

Yes, you should be able to swap out the spring or the wastegate, however 8-10psi is usually a good starting point anyhow with a properly sized turbo. You have some nice numbers there by the way at 8psi. Good luck finding a TDO5 turbo with a t25 style flange though. I don't think they quite come in the confirguration after my findings. The EVO III 16g should have more than enough huff however to get you the 350hp worth of air since it cranks out 550cfm's @ 14.7psi if I remember correctly.

watersedge1234

GT28...ball bearing if you really want to spool.

16g is also good, but gt28 has more potential...and you know you aren't going to aim for 200 whp for too long, you'll get the turbo bug.

2K5SS/SC?

The gt28 doesn't really offer more potential other than the fact it's a BB turbo. Both will require oil and coolant lines, but the 16g will spool pretty damn quick itself and belt out some impressive CFM's for it's size! A GT2871R on the other hand is a whole different story!

schamsy

The question you need to ask yourself is where do you want your powerband. The inducer bore is the main way to size a turbo. I had a 2.25 inch inducer bore on my 3400 V6 Grand Am and I was getting max power at 4500 rpm. If you want it to spool quick get a turbo with a smaller inducer bore. A bigger inducer bore will get you more pwoer at a higher rpm but there will be more lag.

Sloco Productions

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T04E...had one on my 2.4 cavalier..Full boost was right around 3500...ran 8psi out of it....made excelent power and boost was pretty much instant...but i spun a bearing b4 i could get it to a dyno

Sw4y1313

Exactly, the GT28 is definitely a tiny ass turbo. Its equal to my TD04 basically except it is DBB. It will flow just enough air for MAYBE 300whp, but i wouldnt be surprised if you only made about 290 off it.

What kind of power do you want. Do you want a quick car that is fun to drive in both a straight line and around a track/parking lot? or do you want something that kicks in at around 3500-4000rpms and sucks you back into your seat for a straight line pull? I personally like the quick spool, its so much fun to drive.

Quick response = GT2871R
Top end w/ room to spare = GT3071R <----The SRT4 guys love them cuz they have make about 22psi by 3500-3800rpms. They can flow enough air for 475bhp and are compact in size. I am looking at getting one but they are expensive and if i can get my hands on a slightly higher flowing turbo thats T25(which the GT30 is) id rather save some cash.

Jn2

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well decided to go with the big 16g, that should be enought oget me going, only thing i dont like is the way the dp has to be made, one pipe for the exhaust, and the other for the wastegate, than they eet up to make one, hmmm, that will be a tuff one to fabricate...also is the 16g oil cooled? or water and oil cooled?

2K5SS/SC?

Get the EVO III 16g instead the Big 16g. The reason is the is has a lighter compressor wheel and will spool up faster. It will also have more top end as well, all for the same price! As for the downpipe it is an internally gated turbo, so there will be no need for a separate wastegate tube. Finally, as I posted before the 16g is oil fed and water cooled.

Sw4y1313

Hey 2K, whats the Evo III 16G good for, 350whp? If so i may get one since the price is VERY NICE lol and its compact in size to where i should be able to fit it on my log manifold with just a small adapter from T25 - whatever exhaust flange it has. Is it T3?

2K5SS/SC?

The EVO III is rated for 380hp, however there are many DSM guys that pull 400+whp with them all day long. I was/am seriously considering one for my Cobalt, but I might do a 20g instead. We shall see how much I can put down with the Integra first, then I might just give it a whirl on the Cobalt too. I have my old small 16g to use for fabrication, so I could easily pull the turbo off my Integra for a trial run to see what it can do on my Cobalt.

As for the flange it is a TDO5 specific flange, but I'm sure you could make an adapter of have Vulcan make one for you.

Sw4y1313

Depending on how big the EvoIII is i may need the adapter to point down a bit to clear the firewall. so ill have to do it all here which wont be too much of a problem. i just dont want to run my turbo on the edge for too long. and $600 for a turbo is damn nice in my book

Whats the best place to buy them?

EDIT: Woo hoo, i just found out my turbo manifold is T28 already, which is what the Evo II big 16 is. Or at least the T28 will have no problems mounting to it. Now i just need to get a downpipe fabbed. That made my day =P

2K5SS/SC?

I'm not sure if it will bolt up, but it may. If that does work, then go for it. Turbochargers.com is the cheapest place to buy a REAL Mitsubishi EVO III 16g. Don't get lured into the fake ones! $540 is the current price, and I think it was like $10-20 for shipping. The turbo came real fast and their customer serivce was top notch!