Have you ever read any of the issues the e95 vehicles have had? Running above 85% alcohol has had far too many issues. If you're willing to rebuild the motor between every run like the top fuel guys do, that's fine, but, if not...

 

Horsepower!!

Considering I have been running e85 for a very long time now the mpg that everyone so freaks about is not that different from gasoline. You will see most of your drop in city driving with a lot of stop and go other wise not really different at all.

 

Bitches

here
http://gas2.org/2008/12/19/environme...t-stimulus-pa/

"The Clean Air Task Force, Environmental Working Group, Friends of Earth, and the Network for New Energy Choices released a statement today saying that federal government subsidies and mandates for corn-based ethanol produce potentially catastrophic consequences to the environment, and have no payback to taxpayers in terms of alleviating global warming effects, providing for energy security, or even simply reducing the cost of driving. The group’s stance:"


still think e85 is beneficial?

 

My Pro / Con Sheet

Cons:
Higher food costs
Equally bad footprint to Humans and Earth
More costs involved in buying new car to be equipped to use e85
Lower gas mileage

Pros:
Increase Horse power in applications
Some Cases Cheaper gallon than gas
Renewable
Almost equally available as gasoline now

That just sounds like a bunch of bent out of shape tree huggers if you ask me. Nothing says in the article they performed their own research in the matter. Just simply hear say they got from others. That's no different then me saying it's bad to you. How do you know? Did you do your own research?

 

the main point is that those same environmental groups used to be all for E85...

 

I can honestly tell you much mis-information going on in this thread. Not to say I am an expert in the matter but clearly this energy alternative was put in place for a few obvious reasons, mostly politics, tree huggers and the fact that the goverment and car makers have been pressured for years that we need secondary energy to meet our needs.

Flex Fuel vehicles have long been out before pumps were readly available for the public use. Ironic that technology in the 50's are incorporated still to this day in modern day vehicles, gas mileage obviously hasn't changed much on the modern day engines even with all these fancy sensors and gizmos installed these days.

Take my dads car for example a 1955 Chevy Bel Air 2 door coupe. It's 53 years old. The car has the v8 in it and with the tweak of his carbourator he can net near 20 miles to the gallon on the highway. Modern day v8's are obtaining in some cases less or about the same. Why only now are we forcing ourselves to promote better gas saving cars. We have had damn near 100 years now to come up with something that promotes better mileage and better for the air we breath but yet here we sit today empty handed and no better than we were 100 years ago.

As for the e85 debate. It will be a fad with almost certainty within the next 15 years. Another energy cleaner and equally efficent, abundunt will be available and will almost with confidence behind it be done with (e85).

I'll end with if your using e85 to get cheaper gas thinking it will last just as long... I got some sand in the desert to sell you..

If your using e85 for a power adder that's OK, just know it's not that potent as you think.

If your using e85 because you feel your helping america.. your not. Your just adding to farmers and other people who depend on the market in which certain grains, corn and other renewable sources uses grief.

 

that's why I'm buying an older 3/4 diesel and having it converted to run on vegetable oil(not fat, but the actual clean man made oil) and a new totaly syntheitc manmade diesel substitue, and to my surprise this conversion will pay for its' self in under a year, if I drive less than 20,000km's, so I drive more than that so it will pay for itself even faster.

E85 is a farce, nothing more then snake oil, one of the leading causes of the world food shortage. Farmers are jumpping on this band wagon in droves, growing nothing but corn and such, cause there is "big money" to be made doing so, or so they say.

By the time they factor in what it costs to plant, harvest(usually with REALLY big diesel guzzling machines), and process, petro is more "environmentally friendly".

 

from 6 months ago. . . .

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...03&postcount=7

 

The higher octane is about it from my perspective. GM and Ford are trying to take advantage of E85 by using HCCI, direct injection, and turbocharging. You get about a 30% loss in fuel economy/efficiency with E85-E100, and HCCI only brings that up by 15%, so you're still out 15% in fuel economy versus regular unleaded gasoline. However, you could run a lot more timing, compression, and/or boost with the E85.

Bottom line, E85 is heavily subsidized racing fuel.