ill get kenny to come on here and post how he installed mine, we didnt have to weld anything and ihave a bar in my cav as well with racing seats and harnesses and havent had any issues at all. my belts have always stayed in place.

the point harnesses are not like regular seatbelts so keep that in mind. there is no give in these belts. they are meant to keep you in one spot in case of an accident. u have you stock seats still in the car?

 

thanks so much donna..... no just running the 4 points i took out the stock, i know ill get rippd on for that but i didnt think i could keep the stock ones with that bar there anyways cuz it goes where the bppillar mounts for the stock belts go.... eather way i love the feel of the 4 pts so its going to be just those

 

so thats really how your supposed to do it? just wrap em around a few times? and theyll stay? idk sounds shakey

 

It will work, theres no doubt about it. However the harnesses that are meant to attach to the harness bars usually have some way you connect them to the bars, either a way to wrap the bar and bolt the harness to itself or they actually have a loop stitched into it.

I have to say though, most of the suggestions in this thread seem to be a little iffy to me. If I were you I'd probably look for a set of harnesses that were made to work with a harness bar, that's if you were really concerned about having them in and done right.

I need to ask another question however, do you know if these are street legal? When i did my shopping around only one set was, that was the schroth autocontrol harnesses. If they aren't street legal, I probably wouldn't use them any way you mount em.

 

eh doubt their legal their weapon R but im not returning em

 

OK first off , why not call us directly and ask if we have any info to help with the install before bashing us .I would be more than helpful to gladly help you out .
The reason there are no instructions on how to install the belts is that the belts don't come with the bar . Most good belt companies provide instructions on how they should be mounted both with and without rollbars or harness bars .
There is no need for anything to be welded on the bar . We have had the same bar in badgirl's as well as many customers cars for over 3 years with no problems . The belts dont slide as they are tight on the bar and the holes through the seat also keep them aligned.
I have no idea what belts you are using but pretty much every set of belts i have ever seen have been able to work . Sometimes it requires cutting an end off the belt and then looping it back through the adjuster ,. I will see if i can find a pic to help you out .
The bar is a straight forward install , if you can't figure how to install it then bring it to a professional.
You take out the stock seat belt bolts( GM seems to use a massive loctite on the bolts so some times you must take a butane mini torch and heat up the bolt to loosen the loctitie), then use those same bolts to mount the bar into place. Then attach the center support bar to the top and run it to the center hump between the seats and center console. Mark a spot where the bottom mount will sit and drill a 3/8" hole in th efloor making sure there are no wires , brake lines , gas lines or anything in your way . Then mount the bottom mounting plate , mount the center bar to it and your done. The whole process is pretty self explanatory , we will have more detailed instructions soon , but never thought of it being very important right now as it is a very easy straight forward process.
The belts it all deoends on which belts you buy ....that has nothing to do with our harness bar or product .
Also if it was damaged in shipping , then fiel a complaint with the shipping company. There isnt much they can do to destroy a harness bar . Teh paint that it coems with is just to keep anything from showing rust and the bar must be painted anyway before installation. IF there was missing hardware that would be the only problem with a damaged shipment .
We stand behind all our product and you and everyone here knows i have no problem helping someone out ....some people no matter what you can never make them happy . But we try as much as we can but we cannot control every instance.
I will go see if i can get you some pics to help you out but can't promise it will be the same for whatever harnesses you have .

 

I just saw your new post , the weapon r are the same we use . You have to cut the end of the belt where they have the bolt flange mounted . Then pop apart the furthest to the rear adjusting belt flap . Then loop the belt back through the adjuster ...kinda like a back pack strap ...thats about the only way i can explain it . Then just adjust it so its tight ...i will look for a pic

 

thakns for the help but to let u know....

1. i called and no answer
2. the bar was not ruind, packaging was and the bolts were all over the place so i wasnt sure if i had em all
3. i know how to install the bar, i just didnt get how to install the belts on the bar, i wasnt sure if just wrapping it around the bar was what u were supposed to do

i dont wanna start anythign again im just looking for help...... now that u guys mentioned it though im liking trhe scroth autocontrol....wheres the cheapest place to get em, i see on gravana but jus lookin around

 

thank you

 

Here is a decent pic with the adjusters loose. But you should be able to see what i mean by it . Any further problems please call us or notify us and we would be more than happy to help . The remaining slack on the belt hanging down can be cut to length and then use a lighter to melt the ends so it doesnt fray .

 

perfect thanks... and im assuming it stays put fine.... one other question is where did you mount the bottem lap belts..... have the outermost belt on the sotck mounting point for the old seatbelt and the innermost belt i ran an eyelit bolt through the seat bracket to replace the standard bolt, and then hooked the harness to it but it limits how far back my seat can go, could i just drill through the floor?

 

We used all the stock mounting points for the lap belts ...what is keeping the seat from goign back all the way ?

 

because the eyelit thing i used it too "tall" and is on the back of the bracket so the seat goes back and then hits it, it cannot go under the seat....

im guessing u take the seat out and u can get to the stock buckle thats connected to the seat?

sorry one more ?

i noticed with these belts its a PITA to adjust the lap belt because the adjuster it all the way by the mounting points.... its there any easy way around this? cuz i noticed some belts have adjusters right by the buckle

 

you can always bolt it to the front seat bolt in the floor also if it is too large . Normally once the belts are adjusted you never readjust them very much. Plus with having the adjuster behind you , you never get poked in the chest by it , lol .

 

the front of our seats are not bolted in, they clip into the floor.... also just Wondering how the lap belt would poke u lol i think we crossed our wires there lol.... im just thinking for passengers sake, my bgf is tiny, and my friends are big

 

the lap belts are adjustable in your lap , its the shoulder ones i was talking about sorry . The rear seat bolt on the front seats ....yes the front only does clip in ....but the back has a bolt .
Well if you gf moves the seat forward to a comfortable positionm the belts instantly tighten because of the seat going forward . Your larger friends would have the seat all the way back , which would make the belt larger . Most of the time i find people will just ride with the lap belt buckled and not wear the full harness.

 

ok gotcha..... any expereance with these schroth autocontrolls? i really like the idea that they can freewheel like a stock belt and then lock then it senser over a .5g movement... would work great when ur on the highway and have to look over ur shoulder.. i tend to lean foward when i do this

 

never tried them , sorry .... if you need to talk or BS im always on AIM ... audioxtc is the screename ...i cant keep on this board all day

 

I had them in my GTI and basically they worked extremely well... HOWEVER, you can not mount these to the harness bar. the inertia reel and everything else assocated with the belts are too long to use the bar and you'll have the same problem you're having now, poor mounting points. On the GTI I used the rear upper mounting point that was in the back by the hatch. This created a perfect angle for the harness and already had the perfect strength. However on the Cobalt, I dont see a similar mounting point.

I got mine on sale for 50 bucks a side at one point. Aparently no one wanted purple ones so mine were real cheap.

 

i called scroth they said i could mount it inbetween the bottem and back of the rear seat(stock rear mounting points) they said that it is ok for it to be alittle off centered on a 3 point

 

i could probably do something with those studs that the rear headrest mount to

 

There are ways to adjust it so it isn't off centered on you. Your best bet for mounting would be on the rear deck behind the headrests. You could possibly drill a hole in there and mount the system on the shelf. If you do it right, it could be a mighty fine install.

 

ya i thinkima mount it on the hedreast area cuz i got rid of my headrest already.... so now i have a unused harness bar and 2 weapon r harnesses that are only used for about a week once my new ones come in for sale

 

How much do you want for the harness bar? It intrigues me but not sure if I want to go that route yet.

 

do 4pt racing harnesses void the warrenty, i was thinking of getting some, but i didnt know if it would mess up anything

will racing seat belts void the factory warrenty?