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Old Nov 28, 2011 | 11:53 PM
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Surely there are Consumer Protection laws in WV regarding used car sales by dealerships. Whatever would be in the Owner's Manual would be in relation to the sale of the car when it was new.
I'll have to check that out. I brought up the 30 day thing and that seemed to get my appointment made lol. Im sure they will tell me nothing is wrong when they test it, but ill have it documented atleast so I can keep bringing it back until they finally do something about it.
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Old Nov 28, 2011 | 11:53 PM
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Yep. Wish they would have thrown the stock parts in too thou. The dealer said the owner before me put all of them on and he only put 10k on the car.
Well, both the bolts on and the tune are very good, but if the dealer says 1ok, means that it is really at least 15K. But still the mileage of the bolts on should not give you any problem

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3rd owner on a 2009 with 31k? Someone likely beat the **** out of it and sold it when they realized it was due for some serious repairs.
You are probably right

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Owner's Manual aside, (wtf?) you bought a used car that came with a) a bumper to bumper warranty and b) a worn out or defective clutch. If the car was not presented to you as having a worn or defective clutch then I'd expect them to make good on it. If not in whole then at least in part. I understand wear items such as clutches, tires, and brakes are not typically covered but the case can and should be made that your clutch didn't wear under your ownership, it was sold to you as defective and should be treated that way.
Damn right. Miss Sarah said what the manual says on page 9 without considering that the manual is meant for when you buy the car NEW at a Chevy dealer. A used car purchased with the warranty options that Sox-Fan reported above should be fixed no matter what.

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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 12:10 AM
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Starting to seem like it. The previous owner traded it in saying he wanted a vehicle for winter. And im not sure who the other owner was so im clueless on that one. What are some major things that happen with our cars? Besides the cheap clutches.
Dude, do never believe any dealership!!!! Your car has 30k miles with 2 previous owners. The average is 15k each. He bought it used, 1 year old with 15/20k miles on, which means that he paid at least 15k if not more (car was almost 30k dollars new). Who buys a car like this for that price and then after 15k miles realizes that he needs a winter car? They even told you that the car had the bolts on only for the past 10k miles? Did they tell you if the mods were put in by the first owner? Because if not, a person buys a 1 year old car for that kind of price, another 1000 dollars worth it of mods, and after 15k miles he sells it because he figures out he needs a winter car? You know what that means? That when he traded the car he lost at least 5,000 dollars in about 1 year, and all of that because he needs a winter car? In West Virginia he needed a winter car so bad to go thru such a loss of money? Here in NY I never had a problem, with a set of winter tires that I paid 400 dollars on ebay, I was able to go just anywhere unless we get a snow storm heavy enough that the snow would reach the side skirts. I really hate to tell you dude, but probably the clutch is just the beginning of a long series of problems. The dealers are masters on hiding problems for long enough that they can say that they are out of their hands, plus it seems like they are getting worse and worse to tell bullshit to their customers about used cars damn it!! They could have told you something else at least!!! And if it was the previous owner telling you that, same story!! Nobody would talk bad about their cars unless you are a friend (and I still have some doubt about it), expecially if the dealer gave him a good deal on the car he just bought. Helping to sell his previous car can get him a good deal on his next eventual car as well, expecially if he knows the sales person and also considering that he bought 2 cars in 1 year. I think I always did the right thing by not to purchase a warranty for any car I've owned. The way I keep them I never needed it, and the base warranty is long enough to see if the car is a lemon or not. I hope you get lucky and you get it fixed. Otherwise get a Clutchmaster. They are not expensive compared to others and they run great (at least mine does. And I put down 410whp and never seen a slip yet. Plus, the pedal feel like I have the stock clutch).
I know I'm writing long posts on this thread, and I apologize if you guys have to read thru the whole thing, but I can't shut up when I see a friend (a css.net friend, even if not a real-life friend it's the same to me. ;-) Still a great guy if you've choosen an LNF SS) getting screwed by a dealership after paying a lot of money for a car that has problems and wasn't even told about it. Yes if you don't turn the tune on, it doesn't slip, but they all went for "joy-rides", and they knew it has a tune, which means they turned it on for sure during those rides. And if people that work in a dealership can't tell if a clutch is slipping..... dear God I can understand what kind of skills they have!!!!!
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 12:25 AM
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Dude, do never believe any dealership!!!! Your car has 30k miles with 2 previous owners. The average is 15k each. He bought it used, 1 year old with 15/20k miles on, which means that he paid at least 15k if not more (car was almost 30k dollars new). Who buys a car like this for that price and then after 15k miles realizes that he needs a winter car? They even told you that the car had the bolts on only for the past 10k miles? Did they tell you if the mods were put in by the first owner? Because if not, a person buys a 1 year old car for that kind of price, another 1000 dollars worth it of mods, and after 15k miles he sells it because he figures out he needs a winter car? You know what that means? That when he traded the car he lost at least 5,000 dollars in about 1 year, and all of that because he needs a winter car? In West Virginia he needed a winter car so bad to go thru such a loss of money? Here in NY I never had a problem, with a set of winter tires that I paid 400 dollars on ebay, I was able to go just anywhere unless we get a snow storm heavy enough that the snow would reach the side skirts. I really hate to tell you dude, but probably the clutch is just the beginning of a long series of problems. The dealers are masters on hiding problems for long enough that they can say that they are out of their hands, plus it seems like they are getting worse and worse to tell bullshit to their customers about used cars damn it!! They could have told you something else at least!!! And if it was the previous owner telling you that, same story!! Nobody would talk bad about their cars unless you are a friend (and I still have some doubt about it), expecially if the dealer gave him a good deal on the car he just bought. Helping to sell his previous car can get him a good deal on his next eventual car as well, expecially if he knows the sales person and also considering that he bought 2 cars in 1 year. I think I always did the right thing by not to purchase a warranty for any car I've owned. The way I keep them I never needed it, and the base warranty is long enough to see if the car is a lemon or not. I hope you get lucky and you get it fixed. Otherwise get a Clutchmaster. They are not expensive compared to others and they run great (at least mine does. And I put down 410whp and never seen a slip yet. Plus, the pedal feel like I have the stock clutch).
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Yeah should have thought it out a little more than what I did. Saw the white tc and jumped right on it .The guy that traded this car in also worked at the dealership prior to trading it in. So im sure he knew exactly what was going on with it. They made it a point to tell me with him being a service tech there they were sure nothing was wrong with the car. Im pretty sure they will work something out with me or if not ill find a loop whole or need be a law case. lol Hell if they offered to take it back I'd give it back. Im just hoping by some chance the clutch was just worn out by a bad driver with some errors nothing too bad.

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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 12:30 AM
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Yeah should have thought it out a little more than what I did. Saw the white tc and jumped right on it .The guy that traded this car in also worked at the dealership prior to trading it in. So im sure he knew exactly what was going on with it. Im pretty sure they will work something out with me or if not ill find a loop whole or need be a law case. lol Hell if they offered to take it back I'd give it back.
I guess, but they have to be blamed, not you. You saw the car you liked, you test drove it, nobody told you anything, so of course you bought it. For having to trade the car so bad and losing all those money because in West Virginia (!!!!!!!!!!!!) he needed a winter car so bad!! I can imagine!!! I've added some things of my previous post that I wanted to tell you. Not sure if you read it before or after I've added them.
Anyway, if they take it back, I have one of mines for sale, in case you still want to buy an SS. Even for less than what they charged you.
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I guess, but they have to be blamed, not you. You saw the car you liked, you test drove it, nobody told you anything, so of course you bought it.
If they take it back, I have one of mines for sale, in case you still want to buy an SS. Even for less than what they charged you.
Ha ha might have to take you up on that offer . They wanted 18 for it, I got 7500 out of my base model (still owed around 3) . Ending up paying 15 for the damn thing after taxes
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 12:58 AM
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Ha ha might have to take you up on that offer . They wanted 18 for it, I got 7500 out of my base model (still owed around 3) . Ending up paying 15 for the damn thing after taxes
I have about 13k still to pay on mine. Not looking to make a dollar on the car, I just want to get rid of my payment because it's killing me, it is $ 500 a month (got the car for 0% interests, so there was no reason to put money down) plus $ 320 of insurance. That's the only reason, other wise I would keep them both, but only one is paid off, the other one is not.
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I have about 13k still to pay on mine. Not looking to make a dollar on the car, I just want to get rid of my payment because it's killing me, it is $ 500 a month (got the car for 0% interests, so there was no reason to put money down) plus $ 320 of insurance. That's the only reason, other wise I would keep them both, but only one is paid off, the other one is not.
I feel ya on the payments. I have this, streetbike, college loans, and insurance
I also saw there is a warranty for premature clutch wear. Wonder if so how that could double around for me since I have yet to put over 500 miles or whatever on this car. I feel the count of everything should start over for the new owner since I did upgrade the warranty and such. Ill tell them even if they dont think its slipping ill pay for their labor to tear apart and see for their selfs and if it is glazed they owe me my money back.

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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 01:57 AM
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I feel ya on the payments. I have this, streetbike, college loans, and insurance
I also saw there is a warranty for premature clutch wear. Wonder if so how that could double around for me since I have yet to put over 500 miles or whatever on this car. I feel the count of everything should start over for the new owner since I did upgrade the warranty and such. Ill tell them even if they dont think its slipping ill pay for their labor to tear apart and see for their selfs and if it is glazed they owe me my money back.
My opinion is: They better f... do it!!! You are even a college student. I can't believe they would rip off a young guy that is working hard to pay for his future. I'm telling you, when I was a student I was kind of naive, but thank God I've changed with the years. Now, if something like that would happen to me, I would make them swallow the whole car and **** it right out Please let us know what they say when your appointment is due.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 08:56 AM
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I guess, but they have to be blamed, not you. You saw the car you liked, you test drove it, nobody told you anything, so of course you bought it. For having to trade the car so bad and losing all those money because in West Virginia (!!!!!!!!!!!!) he needed a winter car so bad!! I can imagine!!! I've added some things of my previous post that I wanted to tell you. Not sure if you read it before or after I've added them.
Anyway, if they take it back, I have one of mines for sale, in case you still want to buy an SS. Even for less than what they charged you.
It's his fault too for not inspecting the car. It's the buyers responsibility to make sure its in an acceptable condition. I doubt a dealer would offer a warranty on a car they knew had an expensive problem unless its not covered.

I still think someone trashed it and you probably have more issues than just a clutch. Someone took a pretty good lose to sell it like someone said.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 09:00 AM
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Starting to seem like it. The previous owner traded it in saying he wanted a vehicle for winter. And im not sure who the other owner was so im clueless on that one. What are some major things that happen with our cars? Besides the cheap clutches.
Clutch is fine aside from if being abused at some point. Lots of tuned people still use to stock clutch.

Stupid question. Were you flooring it from a low rpm when it slipped?
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 09:37 AM
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Clutch is fine aside from if being abused at some point. Lots of tuned people still use to stock clutch.

Stupid question. Were you flooring it from a low rpm when it slipped?
I really cant remember. I know I was pulling the mountain in 4th so it might have been around the lower rpm. When I left off and went into it again. I know dumb me
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 09:41 AM
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I really cant remember. I know I was pulling the mountain in 4th so it might have been around the lower rpm. When I left off and went into it again. I know dumb me
On a tuned car that could make even a good clutch slip. Does it slip all the time now? If not it might still be fine.
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Only slips when the tune is on. And I have only seen it slip when going up a mountain. Im hoping by some chance the guy got a really good deal since he worked there and wasnt the greatest driver lol. I really cant afford many other problems.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 10:23 AM
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Only slips when the tune is on. And I have only seen it slip when going up a mountain. Im hoping by some chance the guy got a really good deal since he worked there and wasnt the greatest driver lol. I really cant afford many other problems.
You might be alright to just use 3rd gear or no tune in that situation. Going up a mountain would be a pretty high load situation.
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You might be alright to just use 3rd gear or no tune in that situation. Going up a mountain would be a pretty high load situation.
I'll have to start changing my driving patterens a little lol thanks everyone for all the help and suggestions. It really helped out.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 02:28 PM
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It's his fault too for not inspecting the car. It's the buyers responsibility to make sure its in an acceptable condition. I doubt a dealer would offer a warranty on a car they knew had an expensive problem unless its not covered.

I still think someone trashed it and you probably have more issues than just a clutch. Someone took a pretty good lose to sell it like someone said.
Don't think so! The clutch is slipping with the tune on and when he is going uphill. How bad was he supposed to push the car when he test drove it? You know like me how it feels to push this car when you never drove it. Plus, regardless!! The dealer sold him a car in good condition. The car is not. He bought the premium warranty package. The clutch slip came up after 500 miles. Clutch replaced by dealer. Period.
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When is it not the buyers responsibility to make sure its in an acceptable condition?
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 03:18 PM
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When is it not the buyers responsibility to make sure its in an acceptable condition?
when you go test drive a car (like this!!) at a dealership, on the street with the sales person next to you, do you drive it like on the drag strip? Do you rev all the gears to the limiter? Do you go test drive it up in the mountains? Plus, a person that never drove such a car like that, it may not realize at the beginning if the clutch is slipping a little, expecially if it slips only uphill and with the sales person next to you that never shuts up to tell you about the car. I bet he is a young guy, with no much experience on these kind of cars. I'm sure it wasn't simple to detrmine it. You know how many people that only drove SUVs of little N/A cars in their life, would never pick up a little and sporadic clutch slip? Plus the point is that he was sold the car as in PERFECT CONDITION and he also bought the highest coverage package warranty that the dealer could offer. That's really it. The buyer cannot be held responsible for it whatsoever. Are you telling me that if you buy a car sold to you as in 100% good condition and you get the full premium warranty package (for sure about $ 2k just there), after 500 miles you would just go buy a new clutch yourself?
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I'd drive it hard because I want to know that my hard earned money is being spent on a functional product. I've done it with all the cars I buy. I also look under the car and hood looking for damage, leaks, unusual wear. If they aren't letting me do it them I'm not buying it. Besides the better they can make the car look the more they can get in a sale to the right person. Anyone selling something has a lot to gain in that situation.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 03:50 PM
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I'd drive it hard because I want to know that my hard earned money is being spent on a functional product. I've done it with all the cars I buy. I also look under the car and hood looking for damage, leaks, unusual wear. If they aren't letting me do it them I'm not buying it. Besides the better they can make the car look the more they can get in a sale to the right person. Anyone selling something has a lot to gain in that situation.
Yes but I've never heard of anybody asking the dealer to have the engine taken apart in front of them to inspect it. That would be the only way to find out engine issues such as a bad clutch (if you are knoledgeable enough to recognize a bad clutch). If it wasn't slipping, I doubt the OP drove the car in between mountains just for a test drive.
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You are correct. I am 20 and have never owned a car like this. Have a cobalt before and a few odds and ends. I drove the car about 3 miles through the town and back. No mountains or anything and traffic. I never took it out on a open road to really tear into it. Today while driving not slipping happened even with the tune on. Guess I didnt warm the clutch up or something. My luck it wont do anything when they test it.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 05:38 PM
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You are correct. I am 20 and have never owned a car like this. Have a cobalt before and a few odds and ends. I drove the car about 3 miles through the town and back. No mountains or anything and traffic. I never took it out on a open road to really tear into it. Today while driving not slipping happened even with the tune on. Guess I didnt warm the clutch up or something. My luck it wont do anything when they test it.
Thank you. I've figured out you were about 20 after you said you have a college loan. Mmmhhh I don't know if a cold clutch would slip anyway, because I always leave my car idling for 10 minutes before I drive it, and I don't pull at all for the first 10 minutes of driving it to let the transmission oil warm up. I always do it no matter what, even if I'm late for work. So I really don't know if a cold clutch would slip. I guess it is possible. If I was you i would try a few times before going to the appointment just to make sure. i.e. I would warm up the car like I do, then drive it for a while to see if it slips, and to it again for other 5-6 times at different hours, such as twice in the morning (i.e. 9am and 11am), twice in the afternoon (i.e. 2pm and 4pm) and twice in the evening (i.e. 7pm and 9pm). I would try it. If it doesn't slip once with the tune on, then I would say that it is ok and that the clutch can slip if it is cold.
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Thank you. I've figured out you were about 20 after you said you have a college loan. Mmmhhh I don't know if a cold clutch would slip anyway, because I always leave my car idling for 10 minutes before I drive it, and I don't pull at all for the first 10 minutes of driving it to let the transmission oil warm up. I always do it no matter what, even if I'm late for work. So I really don't know if a cold clutch would slip. I guess it is possible. If I was you i would try a few times before going to the appointment just to make sure. i.e. I would warm up the car like I do, then drive it for a while to see if it slips, and to it again for other 5-6 times at different hours, such as twice in the morning (i.e. 9am and 11am), twice in the afternoon (i.e. 2pm and 4pm) and twice in the evening (i.e. 7pm and 9pm). I would try it. If it doesn't slip once with the tune on, then I would say that it is ok and that the clutch can slip if it is cold.
I'll have to do some testing when I get off work. Hopefully the roads will dry up from the rain
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So, did you take the car to the dealer?
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