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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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which engine?

should i stick with the 2.2l (which soon will be able to turbo) or the 2.4 with vvt (which might not be turbochargable????)???
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 10:57 AM
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which engine?

should i stick with the 2.2l (which soon will be able to turbo) or the 2.4 with vvt (which might not be turbochargable????)???
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:04 AM
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i'm sorry, but i'm not sure that even deserves an answer.



wtf are you talking about? you can essentially turbo any car. be more specific
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:04 AM
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go with option c..... the 2.0 LSJ
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rusty
i'm sorry, but i'm not sure that even deserves an answer.



wtf are you talking about? you can essentially turbo any car. be more specific
ok for one my friend the 2.4 has variable valve timing if u slap on some regular lil turbo on the **** watch ur engine fly right out of the bay, the engine is not completely built to have forced induction. it is not made as strong as the 2.0 or 2.2 JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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your screwed for a while either way.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MrGriffithDW
turbochargable
That should be added to Webster's.

I would think the 2.2 will respond a little better to boost, but maybe not enough to make up for its lack of displacement.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomtwtwtw
That should be added to Webster's.

I would think the 2.2 will respond a little better to boost, but maybe not enough to make up for its lack of displacement.
i think it should with a turbo and chip it when everything comes out blah
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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Right now its looking like the 2.2L might be a better choice!
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by chipsgt
Right now its looking like the 2.2L might be a better choice!
but then you lose the interior the suspension
but then again hello after market
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MrGriffithDW
ok for one my friend the 2.4 has variable valve timing if u slap on some regular lil turbo on the **** watch ur engine fly right out of the bay, the engine is not completely built to have forced induction. it is not made as strong as the 2.0 or 2.2 JUST TO LET YOU KNOW
just because it has vvt doesn't mean it is not "turbochargeable." honda motors with v-tec (same thing as vvt) can be turbo'd. tuning may take a little more effort, but that does not mean you cannot turbocharge it. in essence, any motor can be turbocharged.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusty
just because it has vvt doesn't mean it is not "turbochargeable." honda motors with v-tec (same thing as vvt) can be turbo'd. tuning may take a little more effort, but that does not mean you cannot turbocharge it. in essence, any motor can be turbocharged.
correct but in turn the vvt is not as strong as engine as a 2.2 or 2.0 is what im saying 2.4 is a very weak engine
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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correct but in turn the vvt is not as strong as engine as a 2.2 or 2.0 is what im saying 2.4 is a very weak engine
point taken. my original point was that your thread came out of nowhere and nobody has any idea why you are asking this question or any other necessary details to answer your question. this makes it difficult for you to get an answer to your question.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGriffithDW
correct but in turn the vvt is not as strong as engine as a 2.2 or 2.0 is what im saying 2.4 is a very weak engine
Supporting facts?
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGriffithDW
correct but in turn the vvt is not as strong as engine as a 2.2 or 2.0 is what im saying 2.4 is a very weak engine

you .. let me say bluntly and to the point.. are an idiot.. stop being a 16 year old and do some research
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:19 PM
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Option C!!!
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Acidangel_5.0
you .. let me say bluntly and to the point.. are an idiot.. stop being a 16 year old and do some research
first off your wrong im not 16 hahaha, and i work for gm **

i did my research and so did my sales people

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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGriffithDW
first off your wrong im not 16 hahaha, and i work for gm **

i did my research and so did my sales people
reading magazines and what dealer people tell you.. right.. like i said.. do some real searching, motor building..

i have yet to meet one dealer sales/shop personal that knows more then how to change oil and thats it

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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Acidangel_5.0
reading magazines and what dealer people tell you.. right.. like i said.. do some real searching, motor building..

i have yet to meet one dealer sales/shop personal that knows more then how to change oil and thats it
alright then buddy
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGriffithDW
first off your wrong im not 16 hahaha, and i work for gm **

i did my research and so did my sales people
i would like to know what research you did that lead you to believe the 2.4 vvt motor is a weak motor. to what extent is it weak? the block? internals? are the internals forged like the 2.0 ss s/c motor? any serious turbo project on the LSJ motor should produce at least 300hp which would usually require engine modification in the first place.

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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusty
i would like to know what research you did that lead you to believe the 2.4 vvt motor is a weak motor. to what extent is it weak? the block? internals? are the internals forged like the 2.0 ss s/c motor? any serious turbo project on the LSJ motor should produce at least 300hp which would usually require engine modification in the first place.
thats the first productive answer i got back so far thank you
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGriffithDW
first off your wrong im not 16 hahaha, and i work for gm **
i did my research and so did my sales people
Wow dude, you are in a hurry to make friends here huh?

Who told you that the 2.4 is weaker than the 2.2, and based on what?

We need something better than what a sales person said, believe me sales ppl don't know their ****.

You can turbo any engine, period. True the VVT will add another level of difficulty in tuning, but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

You should have just said that the 2.2 has better aftermarket support surrently and at the present time is easier to turbo. But even at that I believe the 2.2 is still unable to get around the PCM issue are they?

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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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The 2.2 internals ARE NOT forged. I don't know about the 2.4, but I can tell you for sure they are no worse than what GM outs in the standard 2.2 eco.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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hmmmm i really dont know what to do now hahaha
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Well if you want honest answers and help you have to give us some info.

First off what are you driving right now? I'll take a stab in the dark it's a Cobalt LS,

but auto or manual, etc etc, these things play a huge role

As of now the turbo route is not looking promising for the auto guys.
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