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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 10:31 PM
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Talking Manual vs. Automatic

How does the Cobalt SS perform on an Automatic platform, versus the normal Manual one? Does it still have speed and beauty the the stick? What do you guys have, and which Cobalt?

By the way, I sat in a Cobalt today. I think I'm in luv! It was an LS, and a manual, and I shamelessly caressed it's joystick. LOL. But I was surprised how roomy it was in the Coupe, I think I'm definitely on board now, unless I see something better from the Ford Fusion, which I don't think I will. I'm just debating price costs of the plain SS vs. the Supercharged, and the accessories / fuel efficiency that comes with it.

Also, how does the car sound with the Supercharger vs. the plain SS. Does the SC have that American muscle growl, or is it more of a Ricer whine? What about the SS? Can I get Mufflers that give it that growl?

Cobalt SS! FTW!
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 10:33 PM
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If u want power, SS/SC aaalll the freaking way! If ure more pre-occupied about fuel efficiency get the SS/NA. They both kind of sound the same, jsut the SS/SC has that sweet sounding whine!! mmmmm
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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Your not going to get a americna muscle growl from a 4cylinder, you can hardly hear the blower on the ss/sc from the factory. If you think the ls was nice, sit in a ss/sc with recaros.
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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The Fusion will lose.

I like my base model, but if I had the money, I'd be rocking a supercharger. Go with what you like. They're all great cars.
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 10:53 PM
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If youve got the cash, SS Supercharged all the way!
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 11:14 PM
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the automatic performs pretty well for a n/a 4 cylinder see my 1/4 mile times and dyno times in my sig and keep in mind mines not even the fastest yet.
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 11:32 PM
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The automatic in the Cobalt is an excellent transmission. I'm biased, because I have custom built one, but even so, you won't be disappointed. Fuel efficiency numbers are near equal, and such things depend more on how you drive then the transmission you have.

Do you have any desire at all to modify the car? That should play a role in your decision. If so, how? Did you try the heated leather seats? They are super nice, and you can't get them in the SC.
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 11:38 PM
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Did you try the heated leather seats? They are super nice, and you can't get them in the SC.
This is no longer true, heated leather is available on the 07 SS/SCs. Maketh no difference to me - extra weight FTL...
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 10:19 AM
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I have never driven an auto Cobalt so I don't know about that but I know the manual is good. It's the most fun you can have with your clothes on for under 30k imo.

Like others have said, you will never get a muscle car growl from a 4 banger. The SS/SC sounds really good though especially in second gear because it pulls hard enough to really labor the engine and you get a great grunt.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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My auto pulls pretty well. If you put the right mods on it and it has a lot of potential.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Blur
My auto pulls pretty well. If you put the right mods on it and it has a lot of potential.
I have driven plenty-a L61 (2.2l) with auto and manual.
The manual is much quicker if you know how to drive it well. The auto makes me cry sometimes going up hills as it doesn't seam to like know what gear to be in.

In my opinion, the manual is cheaper, more fun, and quicker if you can drive it well.


PS) The SS/SC rocks as far as a fun car to drive
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcent
The automatic in the Cobalt is an excellent transmission. I'm biased, because I have custom built one, but even so, you won't be disappointed. Fuel efficiency numbers are near equal, and such things depend more on how you drive then the transmission you have.

Do you have any desire at all to modify the car? That should play a role in your decision. If so, how? Did you try the heated leather seats? They are super nice, and you can't get them in the SC.
I probably won't be modding it too much, maybe a replace of the gearshift at max, but are the Recaro's really that different from the stock seat? I'm not going for the whole racer thing with this car, I just want a really dependable car that has a sports car feel, I fit into, and has good fuel mileage. So all that = Cobalt SS. I just don't think I'll need the Supercharger because of the fact that I'm not racing. However, it does have some nice features like the alternate interior colors and the Recaro's.

And there is that small fact that my dealerships all mark up the SS/SC up to $25,000, without tax and accessories.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinky Demon
I probably won't be modding it too much, maybe a replace of the gearshift at max, but are the Recaro's really that different from the stock seat? I'm not going for the whole racer thing with this car, I just want a really dependable car that has a sports car feel, I fit into, and has good fuel mileage. So all that = Cobalt SS. I just don't think I'll need the Supercharger because of the fact that I'm not racing. However, it does have some nice features like the alternate interior colors and the Recaro's.

And there is that small fact that my dealerships all mark up the SS/SC up to $25,000, without tax and accessories.
the SS/SC also has better suspension that IMO makes the care feel so much more sporty, almost as much as the SC does.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 05:11 PM
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put it this way, the SC is if you wanna go fast, thast why it has the supercharger. If you want a semi fast car but like the lazyness of an auto get the SS 2.4, you can still make that somewhat fast but not as fast as the SS/SC
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 05:40 PM
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Nothing wrong with the 2.4 SS, but i don't know of anyone who has bought a top model and said "hmmm, i wish i hadn't of gotten the top model"

I was thinking the same thing as you when i bought my first V6 Camaro, and man did i regret it. Z28 and SS/SC FTW!!!!!
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 07:53 PM
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The manual is faster in the 2.4 ss. I test drove both auto and manual and eventually ordered one in manual. the auto is just sluggish and heavy. the manual tranny IMO feels lighter and quicker. With the 2.2 I couldnt really tell the difference except in down shifting, it takes a little more gas to get the 2.2 auto to down shift.

Just keep test driving cars untill you find one you like.

I would have definitly ordered the ss/sc but i did not want the extra matience (and money) of the supercharger and high performance tires and what not.

good luck!
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 08:16 PM
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As a person that has had both SS models, I can say that I thoroughly enjoyed the SS... and the SS/SC makes me smile every time I push the pedal down. Both do well as daily drivers... so it's really up to you how much power you want. Oh, BTW... I'm seeing roughly the same mileage from my SC as I was in the 2.4. Both need premium fuel (don't let anyone tell you otherwise), so the fuel budget is the same.

As far as the transmission goes, get the manual... learn to drive it if you don't know how (as I did). The 4-speed auto just dosen't cut it... badly needs another gear.

Besides the power, the other major difference in the models is suspension. The 2.4 feels nice and sporty, as much as you'd expect a high-end sport compact to. The SS/SC is a champion in handling... right there with the Mustang GT and Mazda RX-8 (read: real sports car). The seats are more supportive in the SS/SC as well.


Well... that's my opinion anyways. If you can find and afford a SS/SC, get one. You won't be dissapointed. The 2.4 is a good car for someone who wants sportyness without the "boy racer" attitude (cops love the SS/SC). Can't say much about the LS/LT... but I see a few of them every day... so it can't be a bad car.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverStreak
As a person that has had both SS models, I can say that I thoroughly enjoyed the SS... and the SS/SC makes me smile every time I push the pedal down. Both do well as daily drivers... so it's really up to you how much power you want. Oh, BTW... I'm seeing roughly the same mileage from my SC as I was in the 2.4. Both need premium fuel (don't let anyone tell you otherwise), so the fuel budget is the same.

As far as the transmission goes, get the manual... learn to drive it if you don't know how (as I did). The 4-speed auto just dosen't cut it... badly needs another gear.

Besides the power, the other major difference in the models is suspension. The 2.4 feels nice and sporty, as much as you'd expect a high-end sport compact to. The SS/SC is a champion in handling... right there with the Mustang GT and Mazda RX-8 (read: real sports car). The seats are more supportive in the SS/SC as well.


Well... that's my opinion anyways. If you can find and afford a SS/SC, get one. You won't be dissapointed. The 2.4 is a good car for someone who wants sportyness without the "boy racer" attitude (cops love the SS/SC). Can't say much about the LS/LT... but I see a few of them every day... so it can't be a bad car.

Thanks for your info, man. I'll defiently be getting a stick. I just don't like Automatics much. And for shifting education, I got my Dad and he is like the god of the stick shift. Oh, and just how much was everyone's Supercharged here. It lists it as like $21,000 on the site, but my dealer marks it up to $25,000. So WTF, mates.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 09:22 PM
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I got mine for around $22k... 0% financing... every option but G85.... just wait for an end-of-the-year deal to come around... or find another dealer... if you want a good deal, be willing to drive a little out of your way to find it... or check e-bay if you can get financed through a bank it can save you major bucks... just pay for a plane ticket out to wherever the car is, and drive it back,

you shouldn't pay over sticker price for a Cobalt...

There should be some dealers wanting to get rid of their '06 models now... before all the '07s flood the lots.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 09:45 PM
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Or you could just have the dealer order the car from Chevy and get only the options you want and not worry about it being marked up. I find it strange that so many people nowadays aren't willing to wait a few weeks to get the exact car they want, rather than settling for what the dealer had on the lot. It's a pretty large purchase to just settle.

Is the SS/SC you're looking at an '06 or '07? Because if it's an '06, your dealer should not be marking it up, they should be giving you a great deal on it to get rid of it for the '07s. Either way, the dealer price is always negotiable. To answer your question I paid about $21,000 before taxes. That was with a GM employee discount though. Although taxes, license, fees can add about $1,500, so that's probably where they're getting the $25,000. What options does it have? If it's fully loaded, that's not a bad price.

Also, the Recaro's are a lot better than the regular seats. It might depend on your size, but they cradle you in perfectly and makes you feel like you're sitting on a stool in any other car. Also, the mesh on the seat part instead of the leather is great for really hot and cold days. Plus, they look the best IMO. If you can afford it, get the SS/SC. You won't regret it. Like others have said, it's usually a better investment to get the top of the line model for any car.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 10:07 PM
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Or you could just have the dealer order the car from Chevy and get only the options you want and not worry about it being marked up. I find it strange that so many people nowadays aren't willing to wait a few weeks to get the exact car they want, rather than settling for what the dealer had on the lot. It's a pretty large purchase to just settle.

Is the SS/SC you're looking at an '06 or '07? Because if it's an '06, your dealer should not be marking it up, they should be giving you a great deal on it to get rid of it for the '07s. Either way, the dealer price is always negotiable. To answer your question I paid about $21,000 before taxes. That was with a GM employee discount though. Although taxes, license, fees can add about $1,500, so that's probably where they're getting the $25,000. What options does it have? If it's fully loaded, that's not a bad price.

Also, the Recaro's are a lot better than the regular seats. It might depend on your size, but they cradle you in perfectly and makes you feel like you're sitting on a stool in any other car. Also, the mesh on the seat part instead of the leather is great for really hot and cold days. Plus, they look the best IMO. If you can afford it, get the SS/SC. You won't regret it. Like others have said, it's usually a better investment to get the top of the line model for any car.

Oh yeah, I fully intend to custom order. And thanks for the advice, I'll probably be looking for an older year model when I buy. But as for the size of the Recaro's vs. my size, well I'm 6'-8" and weigh 280 lbs.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinky Demon
Thanks for your info, man. I'll defiently be getting a stick. I just don't like Automatics much. And for shifting education, I got my Dad and he is like the god of the stick shift. Oh, and just how much was everyone's Supercharged here. It lists it as like $21,000 on the site, but my dealer marks it up to $25,000. So WTF, mates.
Your Dealer is a stealership then...I haven't got mine yet but it WILL be around $25k with all of the accessories including the gmpp honed header,exhaust, stage 2, pedals and a few others. Don't ever take a first price a dealership "throws" at you. They are there to make money and do everything they can to make "good" money. You can get some great prices too if you stand your ground, or know the right people
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Originally Posted by Pinky Demon
Thanks for your info, man. I'll defiently be getting a stick. I just don't like Automatics much. And for shifting education, I got my Dad and he is like the god of the stick shift. Oh, and just how much was everyone's Supercharged here. It lists it as like $21,000 on the site, but my dealer marks it up to $25,000. So WTF, mates.
20900$ OTD 0% and no G85.
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Oh, and I know this is a total noob question, so please bear with me, but I heard that the SS/SC has a light that lights up when it's time for you to shift the car, is this true. Again, sorry to ask. Oh, and are the Sport foot pedals with the raised rubber any good?
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Originally Posted by Pinky Demon
Oh, and I know this is a total noob question, so please bear with me, but I heard that the SS/SC has a light that lights up when it's time for you to shift the car, is this true. Again, sorry to ask. Oh, and are the Sport foot pedals with the raised rubber any good?

Well my SS/SC doesn't have a light like that and personally I don't think it's needed. I know a lot of manual noobies worry about shifting correctly but everyones driving style is different so a light is a little pointless. Basically if you want better fuel economy shift at 3k, if you want to go like stink shift just before the redline. That's shifting 101.

I don't know about the pedals you are talking about, I put Tenzo R pedals in my car.
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