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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:08 PM
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No more Cobalts?

ok i heard last night that saturn is doing away with the ion and ion redline due to the release of the sky and sky redline next year. i seriously doubt this but she told me that they may be doing away with cobalts which makes no sense to me because they are very popular and only came out last year and also the "G5" is suppose to come out next year. I also heard that chevrolet is supposed to be working with honda next year on producing the cobalt. has anyone else heard anything about either of these?
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:11 PM
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Who is "she" ? Is this a reputable source at all?
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:13 PM
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BS BS BS why would they get rid of a cheep economy car just cause of the sky. wont happen.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:14 PM
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Who is "she" ? Is this a reputable source at all?
it was a rep from saturn they had a sky showcase at the movie theatre last night.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:16 PM
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Yes, they are getting rid of the Ion. It is being REPLACED with the Astra, badged as a Saturn. So the Cobalt is in absolutely no danger whatsoever.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:18 PM
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Yes, the Ion is going away, but not because of the Sky. The Ion had more issues with it from the beginning, that they supposedly fixed on the Cobalt, and it's just not the hot seller the Cobalt is. Cobalt's not going anywhere any time soon.

Ironic, though...Saturn, the "import fighter" division, is going to have an import itself.
Fight fire with fire...
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:20 PM
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Yes, they are getting rid of the Ion. It is being REPLACED with the Astra, badged as a Saturn. So the Cobalt is in absolutely no danger whatsoever.

This is true. The Cobalt will run with its current platform for a while after the Ion switches to the Astra platform, then they will both get another new platform a after that and they will then be on the same platform again. Wierd, but true.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:28 PM
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the Astra, Cobalt, and G5 Persuit are all on the Delta Platform
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:29 PM
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cobalts arent going anywhere
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by red_wing_2121
This is true. The Cobalt will run with its current platform for a while after the Ion switches to the Astra platform, then they will both get another new platform a after that and they will then be on the same platform again. Wierd, but true.
Like player1 said, the Cobalt IS on the Astra platform....so nothing is really changing.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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they have the new 2008 cobalt cmming out and cobalt will never work with honda honda has the acura v 10 comming out in 2008 to 2010 date is pending but the cobalt will be around as long as the cavi if not longer
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DanJHartman
cobalts arent going anywhere

W3rd.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:44 PM
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I don't think the Cobalt will live as long as the Cavi, at least not with lots of changes. The Cavi towards the end of its live was a really dated car that could not compete with the current imports. GM has stated that they will not let any plateform live that long again. So the Cobalt name might live for a very long time, but not the current car as we know it. Expect a new platform for it around 2010 or so.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by alleycat58
Like player1 said, the Cobalt IS on the Astra platform....so nothing is really changing.
Not true. It shares the some of the same body panels, but not platform.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 04:55 PM
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http://cars.about.com/od/chevrolet/f...ev_cobalt1.htm

No matter; most New World buyers would find the European-market Opel Astra, also built on the Delta platform, to be odd-looking and cramped, with a bone-jarring ride and a sewing-machine motor under the hood. Some attributes are common to the platform, and the Cobalt inherets the sharp handling and precise steering that are necessary for the Delta platform to work in Europe.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 05:05 PM
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Hah, that's funny. Why on earth would Honda ever work with GM on anything? Short answer: They wouldn't.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 05:07 PM
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Here's Car and Driver's article about the switch to Astra which also mentions Delta:

Car and Driver Article

Many improvements were made to Delta for the Cobalt - many of them based on negative feedback on the Ion implementation.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 05:18 PM
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Hah, that's funny. Why on earth would Honda ever work with GM on anything? Short answer: They wouldn't.
GM already buys V6 engines from Honda for the Saturn Vue

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/honda_engines.htm

But I don't think they would work on a full development program together. I'd think it would be Toyota if anyone.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Victory06
GM already buys V6 engines from Honda for the Saturn Vue

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/honda_engines.htm

But I don't think they would work on a full development program together. I'd think it would be Toyota if anyone.
Technically, I guess you could say it's BMW and DaimlerChrysler, as far as full development programs go.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...27/005036.html
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Old May 26, 2006 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Victory06
GM already buys V6 engines from Honda for the Saturn Vue

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/honda_engines.htm

But I don't think they would work on a full development program together. I'd think it would be Toyota if anyone.
Parts are a bit different than what I was thinking about. I was thinking on terms of actually designing a vehicle together, and I doubt Honda would ever do that unless GM paid them a veritable fortune.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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Parts are a bit different than what I was thinking about. I was thinking on terms of actually designing a vehicle together, and I doubt Honda would ever do that unless GM paid them a veritable fortune.
In that case, you're right on the Toyota part. They did a lot of work together on the Vibe / Matrix, and Toyota also re-badged and sold the Cavalier in Japan. They've got a lot of little partnerships going on.
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Old May 26, 2006 | 07:45 PM
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That seems to be the same with everything these days. Everybody seems to get in bed with each other at some time. I think the little partnerships are manly used to see what the other company is doing or it settle a patten disagreement/conflict.
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Old May 27, 2006 | 01:26 AM
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Yes, the Ion is going away, but not because of the Sky. The Ion had more issues with it from the beginning, that they supposedly fixed on the Cobalt, and it's just not the hot seller the Cobalt is. Cobalt's not going anywhere any time soon.

Ironic, though...Saturn, the "import fighter" division, is going to have an import itself.
Fight fire with fire...
yeah i know a girl who was killed because her ion cut off while she was turning.
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Old May 27, 2006 | 08:08 AM
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Look At Mitsubishi And Dodge For Example Along With Chrysler... Aparently The New Sebring Is Going To Have The Mitsubishi Lancer Platform, The Raider Has The Dakota Platform Some Mazda 626's Have Mitsubishi Part Numbers... The Chrysler Sebring Is The Same As The Old School Eclipse 01-05 Model
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Old May 27, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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ok i heard last night that saturn is doing away with the ion and ion redline due to the release of the sky and sky redline next year. i seriously doubt this but she told me that they may be doing away with cobalts which makes no sense to me because they are very popular and only came out last year and also the "G5" is suppose to come out next year. I also heard that chevrolet is supposed to be working with honda next year on producing the cobalt. has anyone else heard anything about either of these?
It seems companies are attempting to appeal to all crowds, but failing misrebly. From Toyota's discontinuation of the Supra to Dodge's SRT-4 (Which got replaced by the Caliber.... why? ), to Acura's RSX. If Chevy discontinues the Cobalt that would be bad. Pretty soon more and more companies will start to drop sports cars, and try to make a mini SUV (AKA Caliber), throw a powerful engine in it and attempt to call it a sports car. Except it will only be used by soccer moms on crack. Now what would happen to the industry if they dropped the EVO or STI or even the Civic SI?
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