You'd think that car would move some

 

From what I had been looking at all Genesis owners from YouTube even with 3.8 all of em lost! Even with expensive mods! This car is the biggest let down Korean sport car that I had ever seen!

 

Heck! I might race them for pinks then take their car and sell the car and invest more on my Zabalt!

 

I raced a 1st gen Genesis with the 3.8 and a manual and walked it easily with my stock LNF.

I personally like the look of the redesigned ones but for performance they're not great and way to much work to mod and tune.

 

Its another RWD "sports coupe" where they spent all the money in development to make it look fast and aggressive but then give it a 180hp motor

 

The 2nd gen 2.0T Gen Coupes are pretty good. They share almost the exact same motor as the Evo X. Stock they are rated at 276 hp and react pretty well to mods.

 

Yeah, I was surprised you said they shared the same engine with Evo X. However Evo X head is iron and Genesis head are alumium. They do share a lot of parts from Evo X and most parts from Evo X can be swapped into Genesis. I just don't get it, why would Genesis 2.0t losing ? Even they share buncha parts from Evo X.

 

They are kind of heavy, and this is the 2nd generation I'm talking about. I haven't seen a properly built Genesis tbh. Nobody really knows about them.

 

The only change 1st to 2nd gen Genesis is turbo manifold, turbo, aluminum intake manifold into plastic in 2nd gen and electric wastegate. That's pretty much it, engine are the same from 1st to 2nd gen.

 

I find it odd that you guys call the genesis slow car's considering the 2.0T does 14.2 and the 3.8 does 13.5 in the quarter mile according to road and track and motortrend tests. It is true though those horror storys about the first gen's 2.0T's being made of glass, but thats just inherent of all new car's it seems. Do that with any of GM's new ecotec's and they will all explode if you bounce them off the rev limiter for more then a second. GM stopped building ecotec's with the robustness of the LSJ several years ago. As far as the car's quality goes, for between 26 to 33k MSRP the genesis is leaps and bounds higher quality then the cobalt ever was. The lowered expectations of cobalt owners just astounds me. lol For a $4000 dollar car, yeh the cobalt is great, I never would have paid retail for this thing. You would have been much happier driving a 3.8 Genesis R spec or premium rather then a 2009-2010 cobalt. Simple fact is the cobalt is dated, and any new car is going to feel like its 20 years ahead of a 2010 cobalt.

 

I would take my SS/TC over the Genesis cars I have driven every day of the week.

 

new car problems include electronics that are finicky, transmissions that don't shift well, etc. a car that's made of glass is cheaply made. They are slow by today's standards. The 2.0T is about as quick as an LSJ SS.. which came out about a decade ago. Yes, it has a better interior but that doesn't say much. Just about every car on sale today has a better interior.

The 3.8 is especially annoying because it costs nearly the same as V8 muscle cars when it offers V6 Mustang performance. Its ET is quicker than both SSs because of the RWD launch but it's slower around a track and would be nowhere near as quick if both are lightly modified. Nissan is doing that with the Z and while it is stupid IMO, at least Nissan has some motorsport heritage and refinement.

 

What LSJ are you referring to? Because LSJ's were high 14 second car's stock, they make 205hp. Finicky electronics and transmissions that dont shift well are a signature feature of the cobalt as well, with its numerous CANBUS related issues that are commonly found in the problems forum. A RWD 3.8 V6 with 350hp is going to be loads more fun then a FWD cobalt can ever be. Brembro brakes, 8 speed automatic or 6 speed manual, technology that is a leap forward from anything the cobalt has, and more importantly, a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty. Sorry, id ditch my cobalt any day for the genesis if I had the money.

 

hey, spawne, if you like genesis so much, gtfo this forum and buy one of those.

new york trash.. smh

 

what? lol

 

Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged - Short Take Road Test - Car Reviews - Car and Driver

14.4 @ 100 mph

I know Cobalts don't have the slickest transmissions. I wasn't saying they are better. You said that that first gen's 2.0T's being made of glass is "inherent of all new car's it seems." What I was saying is that that's not true. New car problems include finicky electronics or transmissions not weak components. Weak components are just bad build quality, regardless of whether the car is new or not.

The argument isn't about what's more fun, RWD vs FWD, the argument is about performance. For the price point, the performance isn't competitive. When the SS LSJ came out, it was one of the fastest cars for the money. When the SS LNF came out, I think I'm right in saying that it was the fastest car for the money and faster than quite a few cars more expensive so it was good value and very competitive. The Genesis is overpriced. You can do much better for the money than a Genesis Coupe and still stick with a manual RWD car. The post was also about a 2010 Gensis 2.0T which is far, far behind.

 

I would say that by today's standards the genesis is actually the cheapest running production car for what you get performance wise. Two comparable car's would be the FRS/BRZ, which is significantly under-powered, and if you look at the 4 cylinder mustang, your looking at a starting price of about 33k and with options its close to 40 grand. (i posted that picture from fords website in another thread) When the genesis was released in 08, yes I would say that it was an under performer for what you were supposed to get, and very delicate for that matter, but that was 08, and this is now. Cobalt is a good engine in a cheaply made car, no getting around that fact. This is all just opinion though, if it isn't obviously everyone on this board thinks very highly of their car's. lol

 

lol well, I don't have a Cobalt anymore but to be fair I don't think I've ever seen anyone on here argue that the Cobalt is better than car X because of the interior. Everyone knows its cheap. It's always the performance.

The GT starts at $33k including destination, not the 4 cyl. The 4 cyl starts at $26k. They can be expensive if you want all the gizmos. You'll probably only find nicely equipped ones on dealer lots for a few months and with some mark up but in a few months, you'll be able to find good deals.

 

most have a love affair with the balt because theyve had it so long and dumped so much money into it. the interior being better isnt a big deal only if you are half ******* asleep when you drive to work. if you wanna drive a penalty box and use the excuse of yeah but its fast that only flies for so long. driver comfort is important to some people. but for the same price as the gen the new mustangs perform better and have damn nice interiors. i found a unicorn today of just a gt with a stick and 0 options. 32k.

 

Your right but the base price isnt what people are going to buy, at least most people, they are going to want options, and soon as you start adding options you start tacking on thousands to the price tag. The ecoboost premium i put together with the performance package and anti theft enhancements tacked on almost an additional 5 thousand dollars to the price tag. lol Just absolutely stunned at how much the price has gone up. Friend of mine had an 08 bullit edition fully optioned out and he only paid 34 for the whole thing, now your looking at over 40k for a optioned out GT.

It's not just the interior, its the whole car, cobalt is an econobox and the SS is an econobox with a souped up engine, just as the cavalier was with the Z24 option. It's just a mentality that people are driving "sports cars" because of the SS badge that I find hilarious. I mean I like my car, but there is no getting around the fact that its a $4000 dollar econobox, and its built that way too. It doesn't even compare in build quality compared to car's double the sticker price this car was at the time, and im talking 17k vs 30k. When your making a direct comparison to a 2010 genesis 2.0T, you cant say you aren't getting a better car, and if you look at how the genesis has evolved into the 2015 models, you would have to be delusional to think otherwise. Cobalt is the glorified successor to the cavalier, and I just wish people would open their eyes to that, it doesn't make it a bad car, but it also doesn't turn it into a Ferrari by insulting someone who recognizes what they really have. I hope to have my cobalt for years to come as a daily driver just as I had my Acura Integra before it, but know that there are better car's out there for the money.

 

Show me a better complete package car that fits the SS cobalt price tag; you can't.

The quality of the genesis is **** for that price. Just because it's RWD and newer doesn't mean a thing. You think cobalts have problems, own a genesis. The interior make look nice but the quality is exactly what you get from Chinese items on eBay. And the seats in the 2.0's are terrible; base model saturn terrible. Sure, the 3.6 has all of the bells and whistles, but at that price tag you still have a weak trans, cheap quality interior, and regret every time see something all around better you could have bought for the same price.

And nope, cobalt SS isn't a sports car; it's a sports compact. It is a sports car heart breaker tho and that's what makes some of it's economy box features no big deal for us. I could could give two ***** less about heated seats, cameras, or whatever nullshit luxury feature 2015 cars have when I'm busy making people with $450 a month car payments on their v8 scratch there head while I do a third gear rolling burnout.

 

Well if thats all that matters to you then it's no different then owning a 95 civic hatch with a 500hp turbo b series swapped in for 5000 bucks. However if there is one thing I have learned in all the car's I have owned its that those little things like heated seats, cameras, sound system etc and all those extra bells and whistles, certain make the difference between owning an econobox with a big engine, and having an actual moneys worth car. Like I said though, all a matter of opinion, and I guess that's really all that matters. I think one of the things that has boggled my mind for the past year is the fact that people still actively defend owning GM vehicles when GM admittedly produces crap on a daily basis while ****** its customers in the ass at every turn, granted I was a GM fanboi when I was younger but sooner or later common sense has to prevail and just see how terrible of a product GM puts onto the market.

 

I assume you have a base model cobalt; I understand your bias towards the cobalt if you are base.

Genesis look nice, but that's all you get for the price tag/genre then I call that big time FAIL! They aren't fast, and ride like crap according to those that have driven! They are supposed to be a sports car!

I have owned an '08 SS for 5 years now, longest I've ever owned a car! The LNFs are an exceptional car: was the fastest fwd around the ring/imported to US, the powerplant extremely potent 300+hp and insane tq with a tune, the suspension is excellent in stock form and rides like a european car(I believe it was tuned in Europe, .92 g on skidpad), brembo brakes, and has exceptionally comfy nicely bolstered sport seats, steering wheel from a corvette, good pedal position, good sound system, very stiff chassis. Best bang for the buck period! I still love my car! It is a sports compact that hands much more expensive sports cars their asses!

I don't know what you're talking about the ecotecs being weak? The new gen 3 blocks can handle 500 hp reliably as they are girdled from the factory.

 

I know my car is cheap but why so much hate? The interior isn't as bad as people are making it the only downside is the abundance of plastic. I have yet to meet a car with a sound system that I wouldn't change myself so that isn't an issue, I have heated seats so comfort is there, and I took a page out of terms book with using some double sided tape on the panels to secure them so most of the rattles are gone. When I bought my car I was honestly looking for a 350z, the cobalt just stole me and I'm happy I bought it.

And for the price of the new genesis it doesn't really compete with cars in its price range. Hell I'd get a focus svt over it....

 

Spawne just trolls.

The Genesis is a neat car but it's far from a great sports car. It's too heavy and feels underdeveloped.