Ideas for Va Beach and Tidewater region Cobalts
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From: Waldorf, MD
UAE? **** that! I just came from Bahrain, and I spent some time in Jebel Ali. The guys out there hate what they do, and wish they were someplace else. Time in Bahrain isn't that bad, depending on what kind of security you do.
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From: VaBeach
Ok.. here goes.. car is finished tuned!!! for now anyway. numbers put down @ 10psi is 232whp. will up boost when i have the cash for a fuel return system and fuel pump. kinda not looking for the stock one to hold up and without the fuel return i'll be maxing out the injectors at ~15psi. so i'm still happy with what came out of all of this. still good for lowering compression from 11.5:1 to 9.0:1!
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Joined: 10-26-06
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From: SE VA
WTF folks???
Dayyuuummm..!!!!! 
Everyone's money is tight.... It's too cold to work on the cars for many.... Shoot, I can understand the frustration. The weather got cold about the time that my OEM clutch decided it didn't like its job with the SC and had to replace that. Just before Christmas, I broke two ribs, am still sore, and have a new set of springs that I want to try and a meth setup I want to install.
This thread is starting to look like some female G2G where most are PMS'n and nobody's got any Midol. Jeez, lighten up folks!!
You need to plan a meet where everyone can sit down and chill, BS about planned mods and hopes, forget about who is fastest or who looks best, buy your friend a beer and, for some, kiss and make up!! (Not really, or the public will think it's a gay rights group!!). Josh, maybe you ought to organize something down here, 'cause these locals don't seem to be able to plan anything.
My name came into this fiasco, so I want to get a few things straight. (Danew, I hope you read this!!)
First, Justin, you are a damn liar!! I am NOT 65.... only 62!!
Adam, WTF is your issue?? Danew left his car with Justin. That's something between the two of them..... doesn't matter what the deal was to the rest of us. There's only one person that I know of that "thought" they left their car in safe hands when deployed. That one definitely blew up!! That rod remnant looked nasty!! Otherwise, you don't have a clue about Danew's car!
Since I was mentioned, here's what happened....
I've been Danew's tuner for some time now and have worked with him on some old issues, installs and tuning. After the Harrop TVS, we got it sorted out and running good, but just focused on no big AFR errors and kept timing conservative, without knock, dispite hitting over 20# of boost without any other cooling mods. With his plans, that was good for both of us. Since he was planning a build with many more mods while he was gone, we considered it "good enough and safe" for now and would get back to it when the build was done.
A while back Justin called me and said Danew's car triggered a DTC code (P0171... lean) and his Interceptor showed that and a misfire. He asked me to scan it and see what was up. I was confused, since nothing had changed since the "base" tune. Well, we found lean conditions at low throttle loads and idle... Cylinder 2 showed misfires... Otherwise it still looked OK. Other than that, car ran fine. When I asked him to hit FT, it pulled great, except that from my passenger's side mirror, I saw smoke behind us and told Justin to pull over. We opened the hood and oil was dripping everywhere... a real mess!! The dipstick had popped up!! He nursed it back and since #2 was showing a misfire, that plug was pulled. Yep, there was oil on it! Why? Dumb ass (j/k!!) Justin didn't clean up that center tray first before pulling the plug. Doh??? Anyway, the "blown" engine ran fine. The last I saw the car, it must have blown up all the way from Justin's house to Priority Chevy where Justin works to pull the engine for Danew's build.
So, WTF happened??? Well, Chevy has only one TSB on the "dipstick" issue. And, it relates to a common problem with the intake manifold gasket, which has been superceded with a newer design. And it is right on with the symptoms.
From the GM TSB:
Subject: Oil Leak From Top Of Dipstick - Replace Intake Manifold Gasket - keywords accel acceleration CEL crank crankcase dip engine excessive hard high MIL P0171 pressure repeat SES stick WOT #PIP3983 - (11/16/2006)
Models: Chevrolet Cobalt SS Saturn Ion Redline with 2.0L Engine (VIN P - RPO LSJ)
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
On rare occasions, the engine oil dipstick may become unseated on hard acceleration, resulting in an engine oil leak. If the engine is operated long enough like this, a P0171 DTC could set due to the engine ingesting unmetered air.
This concern is the result of excessive crankcase pressure on hard acceleration. This crankcase pressure may be the result of an intake manifold gasket concern that allows supercharger boost pressure to bypass the intake manifold gasket where it seals around the PCV orifice, which is between the #2 and #3 intake runners.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If the SI diagnostics do not isolate a cause for this concern, replace the intake manifold gasket using part number 12597855, which contains an updated sealing surface around the PCV orifice. This part number, or any future part number, is designed to address this concern.
Well that likely pretty much explains it! Justin will replace it with the new design. So, where's the F'n problem???
Like I said guys.... All try to get along. If you can't, GTFO the forum, get a shrink, use the "ignore" feature, try some Midol... whatever.
Everyone's money is tight.... It's too cold to work on the cars for many.... Shoot, I can understand the frustration. The weather got cold about the time that my OEM clutch decided it didn't like its job with the SC and had to replace that. Just before Christmas, I broke two ribs, am still sore, and have a new set of springs that I want to try and a meth setup I want to install.
This thread is starting to look like some female G2G where most are PMS'n and nobody's got any Midol. Jeez, lighten up folks!!
You need to plan a meet where everyone can sit down and chill, BS about planned mods and hopes, forget about who is fastest or who looks best, buy your friend a beer and, for some, kiss and make up!! (Not really, or the public will think it's a gay rights group!!). Josh, maybe you ought to organize something down here, 'cause these locals don't seem to be able to plan anything.
My name came into this fiasco, so I want to get a few things straight. (Danew, I hope you read this!!)
First, Justin, you are a damn liar!! I am NOT 65.... only 62!!
Adam, WTF is your issue?? Danew left his car with Justin. That's something between the two of them..... doesn't matter what the deal was to the rest of us. There's only one person that I know of that "thought" they left their car in safe hands when deployed. That one definitely blew up!! That rod remnant looked nasty!! Otherwise, you don't have a clue about Danew's car!
Since I was mentioned, here's what happened....
I've been Danew's tuner for some time now and have worked with him on some old issues, installs and tuning. After the Harrop TVS, we got it sorted out and running good, but just focused on no big AFR errors and kept timing conservative, without knock, dispite hitting over 20# of boost without any other cooling mods. With his plans, that was good for both of us. Since he was planning a build with many more mods while he was gone, we considered it "good enough and safe" for now and would get back to it when the build was done.
A while back Justin called me and said Danew's car triggered a DTC code (P0171... lean) and his Interceptor showed that and a misfire. He asked me to scan it and see what was up. I was confused, since nothing had changed since the "base" tune. Well, we found lean conditions at low throttle loads and idle... Cylinder 2 showed misfires... Otherwise it still looked OK. Other than that, car ran fine. When I asked him to hit FT, it pulled great, except that from my passenger's side mirror, I saw smoke behind us and told Justin to pull over. We opened the hood and oil was dripping everywhere... a real mess!! The dipstick had popped up!! He nursed it back and since #2 was showing a misfire, that plug was pulled. Yep, there was oil on it! Why? Dumb ass (j/k!!) Justin didn't clean up that center tray first before pulling the plug. Doh??? Anyway, the "blown" engine ran fine. The last I saw the car, it must have blown up all the way from Justin's house to Priority Chevy where Justin works to pull the engine for Danew's build.
So, WTF happened??? Well, Chevy has only one TSB on the "dipstick" issue. And, it relates to a common problem with the intake manifold gasket, which has been superceded with a newer design. And it is right on with the symptoms.
From the GM TSB:
Subject: Oil Leak From Top Of Dipstick - Replace Intake Manifold Gasket - keywords accel acceleration CEL crank crankcase dip engine excessive hard high MIL P0171 pressure repeat SES stick WOT #PIP3983 - (11/16/2006)
Models: Chevrolet Cobalt SS Saturn Ion Redline with 2.0L Engine (VIN P - RPO LSJ)
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
On rare occasions, the engine oil dipstick may become unseated on hard acceleration, resulting in an engine oil leak. If the engine is operated long enough like this, a P0171 DTC could set due to the engine ingesting unmetered air.
This concern is the result of excessive crankcase pressure on hard acceleration. This crankcase pressure may be the result of an intake manifold gasket concern that allows supercharger boost pressure to bypass the intake manifold gasket where it seals around the PCV orifice, which is between the #2 and #3 intake runners.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If the SI diagnostics do not isolate a cause for this concern, replace the intake manifold gasket using part number 12597855, which contains an updated sealing surface around the PCV orifice. This part number, or any future part number, is designed to address this concern.
Well that likely pretty much explains it! Justin will replace it with the new design. So, where's the F'n problem???
Like I said guys.... All try to get along. If you can't, GTFO the forum, get a shrink, use the "ignore" feature, try some Midol... whatever.
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Joined: 11-27-06
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From: Lorain, Ohio / Fort Eustis V.A
Very Good "How to" correct a situation Joe ha ha.. very informative and with supporintg facts.. ha ha. if you ever wanna get a stock tune from a T/C balt and tweak it and sell it to people ill be glad to be yer data donor.
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Joined: 02-15-07
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From: Chesapeake, VA
no i wont STFU about it. it's people like you that will keep me form ever leaving my car with so called "friends" while im on deployment. My car will go into long term storage somewhere or back to my parents house where i know for a fact the car will be taken care of better then hot rodding it around and braking ****. Why you think i always blow you off when you call... i cant stand the sight of you because of what you did/are doing to danew. rather they want to believe it or not. i know the truth and thats all that matters. you will never touch my car for any kind of work knowing what i know now. i'd rather take my car back to millennium before i'd let you touch it.
Dayyuuummm..!!!!!
Everyone's money is tight.... It's too cold to work on the cars for many.... Shoot, I can understand the frustration. The weather got cold about the time that my OEM clutch decided it didn't like its job with the SC and had to replace that. Just before Christmas, I broke two ribs, am still sore, and have a new set of springs that I want to try and a meth setup I want to install.
This thread is starting to look like some female G2G where most are PMS'n and nobody's got any Midol. Jeez, lighten up folks!!
You need to plan a meet where everyone can sit down and chill, BS about planned mods and hopes, forget about who is fastest or who looks best, buy your friend a beer and, for some, kiss and make up!! (Not really, or the public will think it's a gay rights group!!). Josh, maybe you ought to organize something down here, 'cause these locals don't seem to be able to plan anything.
My name came into this fiasco, so I want to get a few things straight. (Danew, I hope you read this!!)
First, Justin, you are a damn liar!! I am NOT 65.... only 62!!
Adam, WTF is your issue?? Danew left his car with Justin. That's something between the two of them..... doesn't matter what the deal was to the rest of us. There's only one person that I know of that "thought" they left their car in safe hands when deployed. That one definitely blew up!! That rod remnant looked nasty!! Otherwise, you don't have a clue about Danew's car!
Since I was mentioned, here's what happened....
I've been Danew's tuner for some time now and have worked with him on some old issues, installs and tuning. After the Harrop TVS, we got it sorted out and running good, but just focused on no big AFR errors and kept timing conservative, without knock, dispite hitting over 20# of boost without any other cooling mods. With his plans, that was good for both of us. Since he was planning a build with many more mods while he was gone, we considered it "good enough and safe" for now and would get back to it when the build was done.
A while back Justin called me and said Danew's car triggered a DTC code (P0171... lean) and his Interceptor showed that and a misfire. He asked me to scan it and see what was up. I was confused, since nothing had changed since the "base" tune. Well, we found lean conditions at low throttle loads and idle... Cylinder 2 showed misfires... Otherwise it still looked OK. Other than that, car ran fine. When I asked him to hit FT, it pulled great, except that from my passenger's side mirror, I saw smoke behind us and told Justin to pull over. We opened the hood and oil was dripping everywhere... a real mess!! The dipstick had popped up!! He nursed it back and since #2 was showing a misfire, that plug was pulled. Yep, there was oil on it! Why? Dumb ass (j/k!!) Justin didn't clean up that center tray first before pulling the plug. Doh??? Anyway, the "blown" engine ran fine. The last I saw the car, it must have blown up all the way from Justin's house to Priority Chevy where Justin works to pull the engine for Danew's build.
So, WTF happened??? Well, Chevy has only one TSB on the "dipstick" issue. And, it relates to a common problem with the intake manifold gasket, which has been superceded with a newer design. And it is right on with the symptoms.
From the GM TSB:
Subject: Oil Leak From Top Of Dipstick - Replace Intake Manifold Gasket - keywords accel acceleration CEL crank crankcase dip engine excessive hard high MIL P0171 pressure repeat SES stick WOT #PIP3983 - (11/16/2006)
Models: Chevrolet Cobalt SS Saturn Ion Redline with 2.0L Engine (VIN P - RPO LSJ)
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
On rare occasions, the engine oil dipstick may become unseated on hard acceleration, resulting in an engine oil leak. If the engine is operated long enough like this, a P0171 DTC could set due to the engine ingesting unmetered air.
This concern is the result of excessive crankcase pressure on hard acceleration. This crankcase pressure may be the result of an intake manifold gasket concern that allows supercharger boost pressure to bypass the intake manifold gasket where it seals around the PCV orifice, which is between the #2 and #3 intake runners.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If the SI diagnostics do not isolate a cause for this concern, replace the intake manifold gasket using part number 12597855, which contains an updated sealing surface around the PCV orifice. This part number, or any future part number, is designed to address this concern.
Well that likely pretty much explains it! Justin will replace it with the new design. So, where's the F'n problem???
Like I said guys.... All try to get along. If you can't, GTFO the forum, get a shrink, use the "ignore" feature, try some Midol... whatever.
Everyone's money is tight.... It's too cold to work on the cars for many.... Shoot, I can understand the frustration. The weather got cold about the time that my OEM clutch decided it didn't like its job with the SC and had to replace that. Just before Christmas, I broke two ribs, am still sore, and have a new set of springs that I want to try and a meth setup I want to install.
This thread is starting to look like some female G2G where most are PMS'n and nobody's got any Midol. Jeez, lighten up folks!!
You need to plan a meet where everyone can sit down and chill, BS about planned mods and hopes, forget about who is fastest or who looks best, buy your friend a beer and, for some, kiss and make up!! (Not really, or the public will think it's a gay rights group!!). Josh, maybe you ought to organize something down here, 'cause these locals don't seem to be able to plan anything.
My name came into this fiasco, so I want to get a few things straight. (Danew, I hope you read this!!)
First, Justin, you are a damn liar!! I am NOT 65.... only 62!!
Adam, WTF is your issue?? Danew left his car with Justin. That's something between the two of them..... doesn't matter what the deal was to the rest of us. There's only one person that I know of that "thought" they left their car in safe hands when deployed. That one definitely blew up!! That rod remnant looked nasty!! Otherwise, you don't have a clue about Danew's car!
Since I was mentioned, here's what happened....
I've been Danew's tuner for some time now and have worked with him on some old issues, installs and tuning. After the Harrop TVS, we got it sorted out and running good, but just focused on no big AFR errors and kept timing conservative, without knock, dispite hitting over 20# of boost without any other cooling mods. With his plans, that was good for both of us. Since he was planning a build with many more mods while he was gone, we considered it "good enough and safe" for now and would get back to it when the build was done.
A while back Justin called me and said Danew's car triggered a DTC code (P0171... lean) and his Interceptor showed that and a misfire. He asked me to scan it and see what was up. I was confused, since nothing had changed since the "base" tune. Well, we found lean conditions at low throttle loads and idle... Cylinder 2 showed misfires... Otherwise it still looked OK. Other than that, car ran fine. When I asked him to hit FT, it pulled great, except that from my passenger's side mirror, I saw smoke behind us and told Justin to pull over. We opened the hood and oil was dripping everywhere... a real mess!! The dipstick had popped up!! He nursed it back and since #2 was showing a misfire, that plug was pulled. Yep, there was oil on it! Why? Dumb ass (j/k!!) Justin didn't clean up that center tray first before pulling the plug. Doh??? Anyway, the "blown" engine ran fine. The last I saw the car, it must have blown up all the way from Justin's house to Priority Chevy where Justin works to pull the engine for Danew's build.
So, WTF happened??? Well, Chevy has only one TSB on the "dipstick" issue. And, it relates to a common problem with the intake manifold gasket, which has been superceded with a newer design. And it is right on with the symptoms.
From the GM TSB:
Subject: Oil Leak From Top Of Dipstick - Replace Intake Manifold Gasket - keywords accel acceleration CEL crank crankcase dip engine excessive hard high MIL P0171 pressure repeat SES stick WOT #PIP3983 - (11/16/2006)
Models: Chevrolet Cobalt SS Saturn Ion Redline with 2.0L Engine (VIN P - RPO LSJ)
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
On rare occasions, the engine oil dipstick may become unseated on hard acceleration, resulting in an engine oil leak. If the engine is operated long enough like this, a P0171 DTC could set due to the engine ingesting unmetered air.
This concern is the result of excessive crankcase pressure on hard acceleration. This crankcase pressure may be the result of an intake manifold gasket concern that allows supercharger boost pressure to bypass the intake manifold gasket where it seals around the PCV orifice, which is between the #2 and #3 intake runners.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If the SI diagnostics do not isolate a cause for this concern, replace the intake manifold gasket using part number 12597855, which contains an updated sealing surface around the PCV orifice. This part number, or any future part number, is designed to address this concern.
Well that likely pretty much explains it! Justin will replace it with the new design. So, where's the F'n problem???
Like I said guys.... All try to get along. If you can't, GTFO the forum, get a shrink, use the "ignore" feature, try some Midol... whatever.
thankyou your for showing that ppl with no knowlege at all of what there talking about look ******* stupid on the internet...
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Joined: 02-22-07
Posts: 12,863
Likes: 2
From: Northern VA
Dayyuuummm..!!!!!
Everyone's money is tight.... It's too cold to work on the cars for many.... Shoot, I can understand the frustration. The weather got cold about the time that my OEM clutch decided it didn't like its job with the SC and had to replace that. Just before Christmas, I broke two ribs, am still sore, and have a new set of springs that I want to try and a meth setup I want to install.
This thread is starting to look like some female G2G where most are PMS'n and nobody's got any Midol. Jeez, lighten up folks!!
You need to plan a meet where everyone can sit down and chill, BS about planned mods and hopes, forget about who is fastest or who looks best, buy your friend a beer and, for some, kiss and make up!! (Not really, or the public will think it's a gay rights group!!). Josh, maybe you ought to organize something down here, 'cause these locals don't seem to be able to plan anything.
My name came into this fiasco, so I want to get a few things straight. (Danew, I hope you read this!!)
First, Justin, you are a damn liar!! I am NOT 65.... only 62!!
Adam, WTF is your issue?? Danew left his car with Justin. That's something between the two of them..... doesn't matter what the deal was to the rest of us. There's only one person that I know of that "thought" they left their car in safe hands when deployed. That one definitely blew up!! That rod remnant looked nasty!! Otherwise, you don't have a clue about Danew's car!
Since I was mentioned, here's what happened....
I've been Danew's tuner for some time now and have worked with him on some old issues, installs and tuning. After the Harrop TVS, we got it sorted out and running good, but just focused on no big AFR errors and kept timing conservative, without knock, dispite hitting over 20# of boost without any other cooling mods. With his plans, that was good for both of us. Since he was planning a build with many more mods while he was gone, we considered it "good enough and safe" for now and would get back to it when the build was done.
A while back Justin called me and said Danew's car triggered a DTC code (P0171... lean) and his Interceptor showed that and a misfire. He asked me to scan it and see what was up. I was confused, since nothing had changed since the "base" tune. Well, we found lean conditions at low throttle loads and idle... Cylinder 2 showed misfires... Otherwise it still looked OK. Other than that, car ran fine. When I asked him to hit FT, it pulled great, except that from my passenger's side mirror, I saw smoke behind us and told Justin to pull over. We opened the hood and oil was dripping everywhere... a real mess!! The dipstick had popped up!! He nursed it back and since #2 was showing a misfire, that plug was pulled. Yep, there was oil on it! Why? Dumb ass (j/k!!) Justin didn't clean up that center tray first before pulling the plug. Doh??? Anyway, the "blown" engine ran fine. The last I saw the car, it must have blown up all the way from Justin's house to Priority Chevy where Justin works to pull the engine for Danew's build.
So, WTF happened??? Well, Chevy has only one TSB on the "dipstick" issue. And, it relates to a common problem with the intake manifold gasket, which has been superceded with a newer design. And it is right on with the symptoms.
From the GM TSB:
Subject: Oil Leak From Top Of Dipstick - Replace Intake Manifold Gasket - keywords accel acceleration CEL crank crankcase dip engine excessive hard high MIL P0171 pressure repeat SES stick WOT #PIP3983 - (11/16/2006)
Models: Chevrolet Cobalt SS Saturn Ion Redline with 2.0L Engine (VIN P - RPO LSJ)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
On rare occasions, the engine oil dipstick may become unseated on hard acceleration, resulting in an engine oil leak. If the engine is operated long enough like this, a P0171 DTC could set due to the engine ingesting unmetered air.
This concern is the result of excessive crankcase pressure on hard acceleration. This crankcase pressure may be the result of an intake manifold gasket concern that allows supercharger boost pressure to bypass the intake manifold gasket where it seals around the PCV orifice, which is between the #2 and #3 intake runners.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If the SI diagnostics do not isolate a cause for this concern, replace the intake manifold gasket using part number 12597855, which contains an updated sealing surface around the PCV orifice. This part number, or any future part number, is designed to address this concern.
Well that likely pretty much explains it! Justin will replace it with the new design. So, where's the F'n problem???
Like I said guys.... All try to get along. If you can't, GTFO the forum, get a shrink, use the "ignore" feature, try some Midol... whatever.
Everyone's money is tight.... It's too cold to work on the cars for many.... Shoot, I can understand the frustration. The weather got cold about the time that my OEM clutch decided it didn't like its job with the SC and had to replace that. Just before Christmas, I broke two ribs, am still sore, and have a new set of springs that I want to try and a meth setup I want to install.
This thread is starting to look like some female G2G where most are PMS'n and nobody's got any Midol. Jeez, lighten up folks!!
You need to plan a meet where everyone can sit down and chill, BS about planned mods and hopes, forget about who is fastest or who looks best, buy your friend a beer and, for some, kiss and make up!! (Not really, or the public will think it's a gay rights group!!). Josh, maybe you ought to organize something down here, 'cause these locals don't seem to be able to plan anything.
My name came into this fiasco, so I want to get a few things straight. (Danew, I hope you read this!!)
First, Justin, you are a damn liar!! I am NOT 65.... only 62!!
Adam, WTF is your issue?? Danew left his car with Justin. That's something between the two of them..... doesn't matter what the deal was to the rest of us. There's only one person that I know of that "thought" they left their car in safe hands when deployed. That one definitely blew up!! That rod remnant looked nasty!! Otherwise, you don't have a clue about Danew's car!
Since I was mentioned, here's what happened....
I've been Danew's tuner for some time now and have worked with him on some old issues, installs and tuning. After the Harrop TVS, we got it sorted out and running good, but just focused on no big AFR errors and kept timing conservative, without knock, dispite hitting over 20# of boost without any other cooling mods. With his plans, that was good for both of us. Since he was planning a build with many more mods while he was gone, we considered it "good enough and safe" for now and would get back to it when the build was done.
A while back Justin called me and said Danew's car triggered a DTC code (P0171... lean) and his Interceptor showed that and a misfire. He asked me to scan it and see what was up. I was confused, since nothing had changed since the "base" tune. Well, we found lean conditions at low throttle loads and idle... Cylinder 2 showed misfires... Otherwise it still looked OK. Other than that, car ran fine. When I asked him to hit FT, it pulled great, except that from my passenger's side mirror, I saw smoke behind us and told Justin to pull over. We opened the hood and oil was dripping everywhere... a real mess!! The dipstick had popped up!! He nursed it back and since #2 was showing a misfire, that plug was pulled. Yep, there was oil on it! Why? Dumb ass (j/k!!) Justin didn't clean up that center tray first before pulling the plug. Doh??? Anyway, the "blown" engine ran fine. The last I saw the car, it must have blown up all the way from Justin's house to Priority Chevy where Justin works to pull the engine for Danew's build.
So, WTF happened??? Well, Chevy has only one TSB on the "dipstick" issue. And, it relates to a common problem with the intake manifold gasket, which has been superceded with a newer design. And it is right on with the symptoms.
From the GM TSB:
Subject: Oil Leak From Top Of Dipstick - Replace Intake Manifold Gasket - keywords accel acceleration CEL crank crankcase dip engine excessive hard high MIL P0171 pressure repeat SES stick WOT #PIP3983 - (11/16/2006)
Models: Chevrolet Cobalt SS Saturn Ion Redline with 2.0L Engine (VIN P - RPO LSJ)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.
Condition/Concern:
On rare occasions, the engine oil dipstick may become unseated on hard acceleration, resulting in an engine oil leak. If the engine is operated long enough like this, a P0171 DTC could set due to the engine ingesting unmetered air.
This concern is the result of excessive crankcase pressure on hard acceleration. This crankcase pressure may be the result of an intake manifold gasket concern that allows supercharger boost pressure to bypass the intake manifold gasket where it seals around the PCV orifice, which is between the #2 and #3 intake runners.
Recommendation/Instructions:
If the SI diagnostics do not isolate a cause for this concern, replace the intake manifold gasket using part number 12597855, which contains an updated sealing surface around the PCV orifice. This part number, or any future part number, is designed to address this concern.
Well that likely pretty much explains it! Justin will replace it with the new design. So, where's the F'n problem???
Like I said guys.... All try to get along. If you can't, GTFO the forum, get a shrink, use the "ignore" feature, try some Midol... whatever.
But yeah, i'm gonna try to make it down that way there sooner than later. I'm getting ready to move into a house with my two best friends, so thats whats on my plate right now. Once I get moved/settled in, then i'm gonna focus on the 'balt a little bit and get my few little things planned for it out of the way and get it cleaned up and ready for spring. I'm figuring i'll be down that way around May-June or something. Maybe even sooner. We'll see
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Joined: 10-26-06
Posts: 454
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From: SE VA
****...
Justin, you f'd up on the age, but I'm still learning, and, like a good wine, get better with age!!
Steve... Already got a LNF file and some other info. Just haven't had the demand to delve into it yet. We should talk. I've got a lot of the latest info and could really help you out here. Get in touch!! BTW, you gotta take a ride in this old fart's station wagon with the SC. It's a HOOT!!
Josh... Tell ya what bud.... I've followed you're latest meet thread. Make a deal with you... Get Kristen to show for me (ya MUST give plenty of notice so I can take advantage of all them interwebz deals on Viagra!!), or bring your big sister, aunt, or even you mom, who drives an HHR, right? Scratch that last is your 'rents are still married!
Justin, you f'd up on the age, but I'm still learning, and, like a good wine, get better with age!!
Steve... Already got a LNF file and some other info. Just haven't had the demand to delve into it yet. We should talk. I've got a lot of the latest info and could really help you out here. Get in touch!! BTW, you gotta take a ride in this old fart's station wagon with the SC. It's a HOOT!!
Josh... Tell ya what bud.... I've followed you're latest meet thread. Make a deal with you... Get Kristen to show for me (ya MUST give plenty of notice so I can take advantage of all them interwebz deals on Viagra!!), or bring your big sister, aunt, or even you mom, who drives an HHR, right? Scratch that last is your 'rents are still married!
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From: Lorain, Ohio / Fort Eustis V.A
i would love to ride in the blown cobalt station wagon.!!! doing a custom tune would be a hell of alot cheaper than getting the Hahn PCM tuner for the balt that costs a grand in itself...
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From: SE VA
HP Tuners now has good capabilities on this. Should get even better!
GM has released upgradeded tunes for the Solstice, Sky and HHR LNFs, but not for the Cobalts. My guess is that some hardware issues compounded by the fact that GM has to submit data for approval to EPA, etc. has delayed this.
My HHR crowd that has done any of the above is very pleased.
It all boils down to capabilities, your mods and end results. Like I said, let's talk about it!
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From: SE VA
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From: Northern VA
****...
Justin, you f'd up on the age, but I'm still learning, and, like a good wine, get better with age!!
Steve... Already got a LNF file and some other info. Just haven't had the demand to delve into it yet. We should talk. I've got a lot of the latest info and could really help you out here. Get in touch!! BTW, you gotta take a ride in this old fart's station wagon with the SC. It's a HOOT!!
Josh... Tell ya what bud.... I've followed you're latest meet thread. Make a deal with you... Get Kristen to show for me (ya MUST give plenty of notice so I can take advantage of all them interwebz deals on Viagra!!), or bring your big sister, aunt, or even you mom, who drives an HHR, right? Scratch that last is your 'rents are still married!
Justin, you f'd up on the age, but I'm still learning, and, like a good wine, get better with age!!
Steve... Already got a LNF file and some other info. Just haven't had the demand to delve into it yet. We should talk. I've got a lot of the latest info and could really help you out here. Get in touch!! BTW, you gotta take a ride in this old fart's station wagon with the SC. It's a HOOT!!
Josh... Tell ya what bud.... I've followed you're latest meet thread. Make a deal with you... Get Kristen to show for me (ya MUST give plenty of notice so I can take advantage of all them interwebz deals on Viagra!!), or bring your big sister, aunt, or even you mom, who drives an HHR, right? Scratch that last is your 'rents are still married!
And Kristen is ALLLLL mine!
......haha I wish.
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From: newport news.VA
so that would mean Doc would be the 2nd oldest, with me being the 3rd oldest and Jumping fool right up the rear there in age.
guys can we move on from the drama!
i ve been promising my sons that we would get out to virginia motor speed way this spring/summer. so who's game for this?
guys can we move on from the drama!
i ve been promising my sons that we would get out to virginia motor speed way this spring/summer. so who's game for this?
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From: Waldorf, MD
First off, Adam, I appreciate your concern about my car and the caretaking of it. I chose Justin for a few reasons, of which I'll name a few.
1. My greatest concern was getting certain work done to the car while I was gone. I know that doing an engine build without having your own shop and not being able to devote all your time to it was going to take a while.
2. I chose Justin for a few reasons. It helps that he is a gm tech but that's not the whole story. I had a chance to take a look at his car and I know he put some money into the block to make it as fast as it is. His car is faster now than mine was stock. He has the experience working with ecotecs, which isn't that common in the area.
3. I know that he wouldn't do anything damage the car purposely. He almost can't mess it up because he wants to be the one that gets credit for the build and how much power it puts out. His pride in his work won't allow him to screw this up.
3. After everything is put together and tuned, the car will be putting out over 400 to the wheels. There is no doubt in my mind about that. The base tune that Joe locked into the car dynoed at 267 to the wheels, which would be almost 290 to the wheels on almost any other dyno. Those numbers are right on par with what most of the other tvs owners have now. And trust me, there is way more room to work with.
4. I wanted it to be by someone in the community. People learn and more importantly save by allowing those in their group to tinker and experiment. Everyone benefits that way.
Now as far as the engine goes, he told me about the oil being in the cylinder the next day.
Here's a copy of the email.
-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Haywood [mailto:twopoint4na_ss@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:18 AM
To: Thompson, Danew K. FC2
Subject: Re: yessir
ok man heres whats going on now..ok last night the car was running a little weird and kinda freaked me out...took my girl to the movies and the car wouldnt idle worth a **** and basically running like crap...so i took it home and parked it..today i got up with joe and me and him took a look at it took it for a spin and discovered that your **** hit like 23lbs of boost and was smoking like a jew...took it home and pulled spark plugs and found oil in the #1 cylinder...not a good thing but not a terrible thing...as of right now im not driving the car at all...the motor has to come out before i trust driving it anymore..im not sure what you want to do about it but as of now its not terrible but could get way worse...so if i were you act now and start your build progress now...hate to see this happen but it needs it that bottom end is not gunna hold up to the boost like that as is it already affecting it...so you let me know what you wanna do and keep in touch..
btw: i got up with that lady got the blower and everything else so thats all taken care of...
let me know man
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The car was consistently hitting 20 pounds boost, 21 on occasion. The lsj wasn't designed to go anywhere past 18 pounds, and you can bounce the pulley sizes that they offered with stage kits to confirm that. When he contacted me about it, I was thinking that the car had over 32k miles on it without issue. It was time for something to come up, and thankfully I am not driving it right now so it's okay. Joe confirmed exactly what Justin had said about the car so I know that the story is fact.
I also know about the TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) concerning the floating dipsticks. I've known about that also, even before this has happened to my car. I've actually been quite fortunate considering what has happened to many other members on here. My manifold has never been taken off the car, I've just had a spare in case something were to happen.
I trust my builder because he is hungry, and my tuner because he is the best. I have been a guinea pig for Joe since June of last year. He is the only one I trust to tune my car because he is so thorough. He determined the canned tune I got from when I was in New York wasn't good enough for my car, went back to the stock stage 2 tune amd made things much better than the factory tune. Even gave me use of my a/c without the engine feeling like it wanted to die when getting into the idle rpm range. And you can see what he can do with his own car, er.. wagon. So when the rest of you guys get your money up and decide you want him to tune your ride with the mods you got, you can thank me. It goes double for the tvs.
We can all move on now and look forward to meets in the future.
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From: SE VA
But, Danew.... There's more!!
Didn't Justin tell you that the oil out the dipstick problem went away???
It happened about the same time that the big hole appeared in the side of the block.
No oil, no leaks!!
j/k bud!!
Didn't Justin tell you that the oil out the dipstick problem went away???
It happened about the same time that the big hole appeared in the side of the block.
No oil, no leaks!!
j/k bud!!