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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 11:32 AM
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Jersey Boys watch out

I was driving in to work this morning, and a tinted out blazer pulls next to me in the left lane, i was in the middle... couldn't see into ANY of the side or front windows... i was doing slightly under the 50mph speed limit... he came roaring up, slows down, no one in front of him, and started going back and forth like he wanted to run... A) I don't street race B) if a tinted out blazer is trying to run, there's something wrong so after a few attempts to get me to run, he pulled away in a hurry... i was able to see through the back window, and saw him grab his radio and start talking, and saw the lights on the dash... low and behold a half mile up was a cop sitting in the shoulder ALSO talking on his radio... the cop had one of the new chargers...

so just as a heads up these cops are getting sneaky, if anyone street races i would be really careful.. i've seen unmarked blazers, durangos, impalas, camaro, even a neon...
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 11:47 AM
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Yea, cops in Jersey are getting SERIOUS. I've seen so many different unmarked cars that are State and neighboring town undercovers.
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 11:54 AM
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yea... i forgot to throw in the obvious cars, chargers, and they have mustangs in my area too...
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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in Pa the fogelsville branch of the state cops have a high speed pursuit car built by chrysler(sp?) it says all over it "exceeds speeds of over 200mph" to go along with the 2 mustang svt's they use for drug traffic ing enforcement, cops are getting really seriuos now a days, not worth it to do anything..
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 11:58 AM
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thats called intrapment.......get a cam and take there asses to court
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rickyw
thats called intrapment.......get a cam and take there asses to court
it's not entrapment... it's like buying drugs from an undercover cop... unless the officer "forces" you to race, then it's not entrapment...
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 12:02 PM
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Yes that is definetly entrapment... very illegal, Id almost street race with em just so you can win in court and make them look like idiots.. LoL
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by oldsskool
Yes that is definetly entrapment... very illegal, Id almost street race with em just so you can win in court and make them look like idiots.. LoL
read my above post... it's not entrapment because he didn't make you do anything...
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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sure sounds like entrapment to me.
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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i highlited the key parts:

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.

In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:

- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.

- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.

you guys need to learn the law before you start yelling entrapment... geeze, people watch too much law and order... like my idiot friend that got arrested for underage drinking.. he already has an underage on his record, this was his 2nd, he was obviously caught, and he thought he woudl get away because the officer didn't read him his rights...

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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 12:55 PM
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damn, thats some serious ****, here in wisconsin none of that **** happens
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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Dust, you could argue that both ways, man.

ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.

On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.

In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:

- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.

- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.

- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.

Didn't he rev his engine at you and act like he wanted to race? If you were driving along obeying the law then you did not have intent to commit a crime...

Think about it!
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 01:38 PM
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yea, i see your point... it figures... they probably made it like that so no matter what happens it works to their advantage!
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by D4u2s0t
I was driving in to work this morning, and a tinted out blazer pulls next to me in the left lane, i was in the middle... couldn't see into ANY of the side or front windows... i was doing slightly under the 50mph speed limit... he came roaring up, slows down, no one in front of him, and started going back and forth like he wanted to run... .
sure sounds like he was presuading you to run him and taunting you. sounds like entrapment to me.
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 01:53 PM
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sure sounds like he was presuading you to run him and taunting you. sounds like entrapment to me.
x2, im glad this dosent happen here tho! (well not that i know of )
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickyw
sure sounds like he was presuading you to run him and taunting you. sounds like entrapment to me.
depending on your interpretation he was not forcing him to race. he simply gave him the option. it was d4's decision to engage or not
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 02:01 PM
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I can definately see it both ways.

It really all comes down to...

...can you afford Johnny Cochrane?
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 02:02 PM
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The best is when an East Brunswick cop in a marked cop car tries to get you to run only because he is looking to buy the same car and wants to see what it can do....Dave didn't go for it though....lol
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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^^ true that

Originally Posted by Cobalt443
The best is when an East Brunswick cop in a marked cop car tries to get you to run only because he is looking to buy the same car and wants to see what it can do....Dave didn't go for it though....lol
same thing happened to my buddy in ohio with his gto...the cop was impressed

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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 02:11 PM
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yah i thought they weren't allowed to radio ahead to pull you over.
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 02:14 PM
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yah i thought they weren't allowed to radio ahead to pull you over.
Where did you get that from? I've had three speeding tickets in my life (I pick my spots) and two of them were from ******* ticket traps where one cop radios ahead to another.

BTW... The other one was a ******* unmarked red Mustang Cobra!

DAMN THE MAN!
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 06:10 PM
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Bergen County SherifF, NJ State Troopers and Port Authority PBA cards FTW!!!

lol the only cops i keep an eye out for are the ones on the Palisades Parkway....aka Ball Buster Parkway...they like pulling ppl over for bullshit reasons
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 06:14 PM
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first off if you think you are getting out of something by using the entrapment defense good luck.

However you could turn the tables on the cops. Keep a video camera with you. The next time one goes to do it get to a light. Get him all worked up like you are going to race then act like you are going to shoot out of the light and video tape them doing it. Then you will get pulled over, keep your mouth shut be as nice as possible. When he comes up to eventually give you **** just tell him I dont street race man I just like making people look dumb. Take that video and mail a copy to the police station and then one to the news. I gurandamn tee you that they will ease up a bit.

I dont know how I come up with this stuff
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyMo84
Bergen County SherifF, NJ State Troopers and Port Authority PBA cards FTW!!!

lol the only cops i keep an eye out for are the ones on the Palisades Parkway....aka Ball Buster Parkway...they like pulling ppl over for bullshit reasons

I have 2 cards, dad's FOP (Fraternal order of Police) and brothers PBA card.
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Old Jan 22, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stbluSS
first off if you think you are getting out of something by using the entrapment defense good luck.

However you could turn the tables on the cops. Keep a video camera with you. The next time one goes to do it get to a light. Get him all worked up like you are going to race then act like you are going to shoot out of the light and video tape them doing it. Then you will get pulled over, keep your mouth shut be as nice as possible. When he comes up to eventually give you **** just tell him I dont street race man I just like making people look dumb. Take that video and mail a copy to the police station and then one to the news. I gurandamn tee you that they will ease up a bit.

I dont know how I come up with this stuff
agreed, and by publicly humiliating the officer, it's going to make them lighten up?? don't think so...
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