codyss, you like bow-ties. good for you. the GT happened to beat a member of this forum and it was a good race. he'll tell you. he's a cool guy and a damn good driver. im not seeing things, just telling you the truth.

and who the hell cares about what a stock this can do against a stock that? neither cars performance is all that impressive stock. and stock for stock its a drivers race.

and no, he didnt have 4.10s, LTs, cams or FI. his mods are 3.73s, Prochamber and weld-in flows, Accufab 75mm TB / Plenum, Mac CAI (worthless), and steeda T/A an UD pullies. his car dyno'd at 248 with 2 pullies and before the....something else wasnt installed yet.

anyway, believe all you want that the SS/SC is invincible, then tell me how you're going to get your cat-fish out and come down here and walk me. have a nice day, i have to go to school now

 

yea im pretty sure a stock gt runs about 14.1 in the 1/4 so how can a stock ss beat that? and the grand prix in the video is the guy who made the video, the video is hosted on clubgp.com a huge grand prix site, his friend has the mustang and they went out for a ride in it and filmed some races. and for the cobalt to keep up like that, it has to have something pretty major done to it. period. i agree with beerbaron

 

ummm hello, who cares if he isnt putting down full boost, 3/4 throttle will still give the guy 7-8 psi which will still rock any stock cobalt ss/sc

so to sum it up, the cobalt was spraying to keep up

 

THE MUSTANG GT HAS A SUPERCHARGER


STOCK COBALT SS/SC WITH AN INTAKE WILL NOT BEAT IT
END OF STORY

 

Funny...most stock GT's i've seen run mid 14's, they are capable of hitting 13's but not without bolt ons.

 

Does your car boost at 3/4 of throttle if you keep it there all the time? No... the car runs on motor not off the supercharger. The ******* cobalt even with the largest spray on the planet cannot put 330whp not tuned. Think it would be in the best interest for the car to throw a 100shot on and just spray? I think that would be retarted. On top of that, the rpms and whine seem consistant with a stock SS with intake. This movie proves nothing... think that GT should smoke that GTO... yes? Why did it get it's ass handed to them..

Without a good glimpse of Boost gauge, RPM and Speedo this movie is pointless just speculation.

 

Gay....

 

listen to the blower, it wasnt stock, im sure it had at least a pulley and intake, maybe even ported who knows??

 

so basically your saying that this supercharged mustang gt putting down 375 whp could barely pull on a stock cobalt ss/sc

even at 3/4 it is putting down over 300 rwhp

and what are u talking about my engine running off the moter and not the supercharger? if i put it down to 3/4 throttle it will boost some lbs

 

you guys are going crazy over this obviously somthing isn't right or all the facts aren't there. So lets get the basics outta the way

1: No way that cobalt is making over 300 whp and an even better chance that on stock pulley with spray on stock injectors the cobalt isn't getting past 260 whp with just a 50 shot and cold air. It would just lean out to nothing. hopefully one of the techie guys on the site could chime in and shed some light on that.

2: All cars in that video besides the mustang looked or sounded stock or close too it and the races kinda turned out the way they should if the mustang with said mods raced an m3 and a stock 2005 gto. And Don't give me that 3/4 throttle bullshit if you see your hanging on and your only 3/4 throttle your going to go full throttle other wise if your so scared to race your car untuned why race it period till its safe to run.

3:The cobalt held on more than exspected which is why i could see if it had a 3.00 pully and a cold air. Not even spray.

Now for opinionated comments. I'm far from a cobalt fan boy but honestly if it wasn't said that the cobalt was 330 whp wouldn't everybody say hey that cobalt did pretty well. Instead the cobalts getting bashed because a random hp number was thrown out there to make it seem like "oh over 300 whp and its still looks slow". Next that wasn't even the good year mustang gt that can run 14.01 it was that bullshit mid to late 90's year GT that a ******* joke compared to the current body style GT and last body style GT. and comon did that cobaltr pull like any car would with over 100 more hp than stock? I'm sure everyones seen a stage 3 srt pull in a vid, you can see that **** is moving. You can look at a heavily modified car ( and thats what that cobalt would be making 100 hp over stock) and tell its got work done.

Serously the m3 and gto came off as stock and they still handled the mustang and the cobalt had the basics for what a cobalt can get mod wise and it kept up as much as it could. Hell watch im ganna go out this week end and race a Gto make a vid and at the begining of the race im ganna have a pic of my car that says 500whp and a pic of a gto that say 550 RWHP and let people watch as i get the **** walked outta me and see if they belive i had 500 whp. And one more thing comon you telling me a cobalt with over 100 whp over stock couldn't take out an stock ls2 gto or stock m3 from a roll. Look at any srt-4 putting out over 300whp they'd be eating those cars from digs or rolls. I'm only using the srt because that the closest 4cly FWD car I can think of over 300 WHP Since I'm 100% positive theres not any non track only sponserd cobalt ss/sc with over 300 whp.

 

the coblat and the mustang gt in the video, the stang gt is supercharged, it doesnt run 14.01 it runs a heck of alot better, what is the problem?

 

i love cobalts, but cmon, its not a super car, just cuz its boosted doesnt mean its king ****

 

Your missing my point im saying its not that year mustang that starts off running a low 14's it that bullshit year mustang. And neither the cobalt or mustang came off as fast

 

Comon a stock gto beat the mustang from a roll how fast could that mustang really be? But let me guess the mustang was only 3/4 throttle. Correct me if im wrong but doesn't a Gto trap like 109 mph some where around there and the mustang was getting walked. That mustang is not fast for all those mods. You wanna hype up those year mustangs than fine but don't do it off that missleading ass video.

 

oh yeah also the guy who posted the vid said that him and the owner of the mustang is friends with the guys in the other cars so why didn't he post any of there mods??? IF hes friends with them he could have easily posted what the cobalt and m3 hand done to get those numbers

 

gto would kill a stock stang gt, and if the supercharged one is 3/4 then its understandable

 

It's an 01 GT meaning it has the PI (performance increased) heads/cams and intake manifold, it is not the non-pi motor found in 96-98 GT's. 99-04 GT mustangs are damn well capable of running a 13.9 in stock trim. that is my timeslip from my 98 GT w/ 4.10 gears, drag radials, and exhaust. Now, just for reference, that car w/ those mods dynoed 198rwhp and 283rwhp torque...a stock 99+ GT will typically dyno at least 20 upwards of 30rwhp more w/ equal torque. I have plenty of friends on fordpower who could post timeslips and videos (look up v8power and ask for a timeslip) running 13.4-13.5's w/ JUST drag radials. A GT will overcome a CSS at the track provided the driver can drive it correctly, it's a lot easier to get a 2.0 and lower 60ft in a GT than a CSS, for now. Now, when it comes to the CSS and the GT on the street then it's a whole new ball-game. A CSS can easily dispatch an stockish 96-04 GT from a roll, I've never raced one from a dig so I have no room to talk there. Any 2v 4.6l engine builder will agree that it is stupid and pointless to run around w/ a blower pushing more than 8psi untuned. While I do commend him for actually forging the bottom end he isn't going to see any real benefit until he gets the car tuned. 375whp w/ all the mods stated in his signature is a little pathetic IMHO. I made close to 320rwhp N/A with pretty much the exact same mods (down to the manufacturers) on my 98GT thanks to SCT and their 2v tuning experience. Although there are many factors to consider, mainly driver skill.. I find it interesting that the video states the M3 is pushing 333hp (flywheel according to the vid) while the SS is making 330whp and there was such a big difference in the two races. I think like some others that some of those numbers were inflated to make the GT seem "faster". But hey, you never know...if that SS is making 330whp then I'd love to talk to the owner and duplicate his mods haha.

 

stick it to the man! you definitely know what you're talking about. some people around here have no idea about the PI issue with the 96-98's and go around thinking they can walk Mustangs all day. im not bashing anyones SS, they are impressive little cars in their own right. but the truth is a 99-04 mustang GT is very capable of running 13s in stock trim. deal with it.

 

I'm not even really mad about anyone thinking THAT Mustang is fast thats what ever to each its own. Im more mad about them trying to pass that average ass cobalt off as some fast 330 hp one. I would hope to god that after adding over 100 whp horse power to our cars things like a stock gto shouldn't be too much of a problem from a dig let alone a highway roll. And anyone on this site who is waiting for our aftermarket to come alive should know theres nothing in our after market yet to get our cars to 330whp unless some one is trying to run a hundred shot on the stock injectors which im 100% positive that the motor wouldn't take it in stock form on our stock injectors. And theres a guy on that forum saying that our cobalts have tons of aftermarket support. Which i doubt since the fastest cobalts on this site are running a universal 50shot and slicks/radials to run there 13's

 

"He was at around 250 miles on the new engine and he wanted to break it in... he decided to race some friends at 3/4 throttle.. " the dude in the stand was only at 3/4 throttle, so the SS was prolly jus stock...no way it was 330 hp

 

Oh no man lol I'm not trying to bash anyone or say anyone is wrong, I was just trying to give my opinion mostly on how lame the mustang is (granted it wasn't tuned) for all the work put into it, 3/4's throttle...I dunno about that lol.

 

Ok, that seems better. I'm not here to start a flame war but someone said on here before that the pre 99+ GT's are hard to beat, personally.. I raced both a 97 GT and a 03 GT and the 03 GT from a roll was a lot harder but I walked him in 4th gear and the 97 GT had 4.10's going from a roll in 2nd and he got walked by the time I was in third.. both looked stockish and sounded stockish compared to my magnaflow exhaust only installed. Racing 99 and Above GT's is a drivers race. No room for error. Looking at the video we need more clarification and being able to see what was going on looking at gauges.

In honesty I think the GT owner inflated his numbers which I could see being as much as 30whp or more off.

 

That cobalt definitly just had an intake maybe a smaller pulley! There is noway it had 330hp my SS with an Intake and Cat-back pulls just as that SS did. My car sounds just as loud with the intake.