eh if you are going to "race" you'd know better than to have a fake lsd. Man you thought they'd of learned off the nsrt4....ugh... if you want a "wagon" that moves get the ms3

 

Just took a spin with him in the CSRT4.....lets just say the ride was a hell of alot more comfortable than in his Cobalt. It is a very neat car. A very pratical and good decision

 

well when you have non track suspension of course it will be more comfortable of a ride.

Its a good car for competition of the pocket rocket market but imo dodge missed the mark on the car.

 

^I meant the seats in general and what not. I say again that it was a very good pratical choice. He wanted more room, which this car gives him. And the car is a daily driver...so no need for race track suspension.

 

For a fast semi small car yeah its great. At least theres options available and I think the srt4's are selling hella cheap.

 

Yea i was looking at a new 08 for $17K out the door. So there are really good deals to be had. Especially with the cash for clunkers program. I've seen one person so far thats gotten a CSRT for under $14K

 

in the twisties, its comparable to the LSJ. In the 1/4 mile its better. So, the LNF has twisties, the CSRT has straightline.

there has to be a compromise some where right?

the ms3 hasnt run 11's. The CSRT has TCS, which the cobalt ss doesnt. look at this:

http://www.ndperformance.com/

this is not available for the SS/TC. Also, the CSRT can be upgraded with aftermarket LSD.


CONGRATS OP! Dont listen to the whiners on here. They dont have a clue on the CSRT's potential, nor do they want to accept it.

 

^Not to mention the 11 sec CSRT is still on stock turbo housing.

 

Nice pickup, more of a fan of the car (wtf is it classified as anyways, car seems incorrect?) in black but it has the same get-up-and-go regardless of colour choice !

 

stock no way in hell the csrt will handle like a lsj. I have yet to see csrt4 on a road course or a road tour or any road track even and out handle any CSS or ms3.

Straight line sure but I dont like straight lines. The srt4 always was a drag car.

the SS has a tsc like system...well the TC/ss does. why is that at all needed for racing?

You try to make the csrt4 sound better than it is. It works for some but in the end it lacks many features it should of come with, which I feel the SS does the same. At least the srt4 msrp'd cheaper, I cant see paying 25k for the SS, thats freaking ridiculous. Like I said its a great car, that engine is solid, the best part is it brings compitition to the market, but that csrt4 has not been nearly as successful as the nsrt4, which is sad because that was a very hated car on the street because of the cheap terror it could bring.

 

go look at the times. The CSRT is comparable to the LSJ.

The TCS in the SS/TC is not comparable to the TCS box. Lemme give u a breakdown of it:

controls wheelspin ( the SS/TC system doesnt )
adjustible rev limit ( the SS/TC system doesnt )
adjustible throttle % based on gears ( the SS/TC system doesnt )
NLS ( the TC has this )
% control of wheelspin ( the SS/TC system doesnt )

These are just a few. All of these parameters are controlled by computer software that flashes directly onto the box itself. This system allows 50 trim NSRT4s running high 11's and low 12's to cut consistant 1.8 60's. Some, on street tires. This system is simply amazing. If u want more info, I can get it for you. I have the box and am awaiting to install it.

I agree that the CSRT isnt very popular yet. However, just like the NSRT4, it will probly take time. The NSRT4 did horrible when it first came out. Now its VERY popular. I foresee the same with the CSRT. Especially if and when we get some tuning solutions for our **** PCM's.

 

dude Im talking stock cars here...all that after market **** doesn't mean anything to me.

Do you have road course times of the csrt vs ss's? again I havent seen any csrts on road tracks but I dont go looking for them. I also see zero times on the "ring" for the srt4 as well. Those times are the ones that matter to me.

Well I think its a sporty looking wagon, I wanted to like it. but once I heard it didnt have a lsd I lost interest. I want a stock car that performs. I loved the ms3 for all that room it had but still handled and went fast. Ive never driven a csrt because dodge dealers thought so ******* highly of themselves they wouldnt give test drives when it came out. I have ridden in some high powered nsrt4's and they were impressive but being made for straight line and drag man they almost rattled my face off. I give them props for the car but it wasnt my style.

 

The aftermarket is where the SRT4 shines. People dont buy SRT4's to keep them stock. You cant overlook this. Im not stock. If u raced a modded SRT4 and lost, would your excuse for losing be: "well, the TC is better stock."? Thats just silly.

I will see if I can find info on the CSRT lap times. I know it was super close to the LSJ.

thats shitty u had a bad experience with dodge. The CSRT can handle very well with the right upgrades. Once again though, its mainly built for straightline and power.

 

I fully agree the after market was huge for that car. But since my car is my DD I never wanted to go huge, so the only things I will do to the the car until its a track only car are manufacture made kits, tires, rims and lightening parts. Thats why I got the ms3 and then a SS, stock its ready to take on a road course.

Comparing a modded car just gets way to many variables and BS that make comparing a car hard. I raced 2 stage 2 nsrt4's in my ms3 with intake and killed them. I have no freaking idea what the mopar stage 2 kit is, but the amount of power you can get out of that 2.4 is absolutely amazing.

Its a different stroke for different folks thing. So sorry if I bashed the thing so hard at first in the thread but yes it does depend on what you want to do with the car.

 

Where have you seen this? Since i got my CSRT the software that manages the diff is the cars weakness. You can't put all that power down in a corner. I've been unable to find a aftermarket mechanical LSD. I'd do that upgrade before i do the stage 1 kit.

 

get in touch with realtune. I believe they have an LSD upgrade kit as Im pretty sure their CSRT has it equipped.

exactly. The OP is my friend, and he has already been asking about how to upgrade it.

So much for keeping it stock for a while.

 

Does mopar offer stage kits like they did with the nsrt4?

 

yes. Its kind of funny too.

A bolted stage 1 CSRT is faster than a stage 3 NSRT4 w/out toys. And the nsrt4 crowd always said the CSRT was a bad replacement....

I raced my buddies tuned stage 2 NSRT4 running ~310 whp. Even through 1st and 2nd. As soon as I hit 3rd it was all over. Pulled busses.

That was before all my new mods too.

 

Just pm'd one of the people from realtune and they do have a lsd in their csrt but only 5 have been made. They'd have to have a group buy of 50 or more at over $1K each before they'd make some more. So theres basically isn't a option for a lsd for the csrt, its to bad too. Thats the one problem i have the car.

 

u MAY be able to buy it in-house. You would have to work something out with Aaron though.


In the meantime, just buy a TCS for $700 and call it a day . I got mine for $575 through an initial group buy.