ZZP Stealth HE and Car Update in Shop
11-19-2012, 08:50 PM
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ZZP Stealth HE and Car Update in Shop
I hit that darn Raccoon and still have yet to get the car back from the shop.
Check out how massive this ZZP HE is. I excited to see some IAT2's now! I didn't even have a HE in the first place as E85 could care less....
They said the RKSport bumper and everything else will be done and ready for pickup by this Friday.
Check out how massive this ZZP HE is. I excited to see some IAT2's now! I didn't even have a HE in the first place as E85 could care less....
They said the RKSport bumper and everything else will be done and ready for pickup by this Friday.
11-20-2012, 03:13 AM
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Hmmmmm.
Want to say I read somewhere that Powell had shown negative effects of stacking units hence why griffen was a replacement and not an added piece such as most of us use. Could be wrong though.
Want to say I read somewhere that Powell had shown negative effects of stacking units hence why griffen was a replacement and not an added piece such as most of us use. Could be wrong though.
11-20-2012, 03:30 AM
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Everyone that I have known to use an additional heat exchager with the stock HE reported an improvement in IAT2s and recovery times. As long as they have everything connected properly and everything is functioning, I don't see how this could be a negative effect. The Griffin is probably better though when it comes lowering both, and just does it with one heat exchanger instead of using two
11-20-2012, 03:38 AM
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Yes but heat exchangers don't even cover half of the units behind them. I'm not saying ones right or wrong just trying to bring reference to what I'm trying to remember that I read. Hopefully john can jump in here and chime in
11-20-2012, 05:03 PM
#13
Wow seems like this got off track and people are a tad confused.
In order from front to rear:
ZZP Stealth
AC Condenser
Radiator
The ZZP stealth replaces you're stock HE just like the Griffen, but it is now located at the far front...
In order from front to rear:
ZZP Stealth
AC Condenser
Radiator
The ZZP stealth replaces you're stock HE just like the Griffen, but it is now located at the far front...
11-20-2012, 06:02 PM
#15
I am guessing this unit is what you wanted, its at least as good as a fmic s3.
I am sure the OP will provide the data from his fmic s3 and this one.
Not running an option B with it, is just weerd. Every cooling system for the engine on every car out there has an "option B" style bleed line. On the LSJ and LNF its right out of the head beside the ect above the top radiator hose
I am sure the OP will provide the data from his fmic s3 and this one.
Not running an option B with it, is just weerd. Every cooling system for the engine on every car out there has an "option B" style bleed line. On the LSJ and LNF its right out of the head beside the ect above the top radiator hose
11-20-2012, 06:07 PM
#16
I am guessing this unit is what you wanted, its at least as good as a fmic s3.
I am sure the OP will provide the data from his fmic s3 and this one.
Not running an option B with it, is just weerd. Every cooling system for the engine on every car out there has an "option B" style bleed line. On the LSJ and LNF its right out of the head beside the ect above the top radiator hose
I am sure the OP will provide the data from his fmic s3 and this one.
Not running an option B with it, is just weerd. Every cooling system for the engine on every car out there has an "option B" style bleed line. On the LSJ and LNF its right out of the head beside the ect above the top radiator hose
I'll say with my Dual Pass and Phenolic(on stock LSJ HE) my IAT's maxed around 148ish after a long pull. with 70-80* temps outside.
I'll see how this does over the stock LSJ HE, as I deleted the stock one.
I have a ported Intake Mani now as well..Which should decrease IAT2's even more as more of the laminova's surface area is available.
11-20-2012, 08:47 PM
#17
I never had a S3 he... Sorry.
I'll say with my Dual Pass and Phenolic(on stock LSJ HE) my IAT's maxed around 148ish after a long pull. with 70-80* temps outside.
I'll see how this does over the stock LSJ HE, as I deleted the stock one.
I have a ported Intake Mani now as well..Which should decrease IAT2's even more as more of the laminova's surface area is available.
I'll say with my Dual Pass and Phenolic(on stock LSJ HE) my IAT's maxed around 148ish after a long pull. with 70-80* temps outside.
I'll see how this does over the stock LSJ HE, as I deleted the stock one.
I have a ported Intake Mani now as well..Which should decrease IAT2's even more as more of the laminova's surface area is available.
I am prepared to take bets that this new cooler is not, in fact as good as a griffin, for all sorts of reasons already covered in the past on this forum. I think that the new h/e will probably match the s3 that ZZP make. And cost way less than a Griffin.
The fabrication quality out of ZZP's fab shop looks tobe excellent. But there is some cooling engineering needed, and Zoomer may know all this, he has dissected enough of these systems already and has a lot of experience bringing things to market.
11-21-2012, 03:32 AM
#18
GM spent a lot of time on the Laminova, and making the slots too big actually were found to detract from cooling; for the race cars we were anxious to do that, and just like the windtunnell has taught me, what we think intuitively doesnt always apply. I presume in this case, it is a point of the air not staying in the cores long enough to transfer heat effectively , this all measured in milliseconds. I am not sure if folks have an appreciation for the time , effort engineering and money GM spent on these systems, whatever they are and whatever generation of engine it is...
I am prepared to take bets that this new cooler is not, in fact as good as a griffin, for all sorts of reasons already covered in the past on this forum. I think that the new h/e will probably match the s3 that ZZP make. And cost way less than a Griffin.
The fabrication quality out of ZZP's fab shop looks tobe excellent. But there is some cooling engineering needed, and Zoomer may know all this, he has dissected enough of these systems already and has a lot of experience bringing things to market.
I am prepared to take bets that this new cooler is not, in fact as good as a griffin, for all sorts of reasons already covered in the past on this forum. I think that the new h/e will probably match the s3 that ZZP make. And cost way less than a Griffin.
The fabrication quality out of ZZP's fab shop looks tobe excellent. But there is some cooling engineering needed, and Zoomer may know all this, he has dissected enough of these systems already and has a lot of experience bringing things to market.
Last edited by bratboy90; 11-21-2012 at 05:42 AM.
11-23-2012, 03:07 PM
#20
The blower spings at a set rate meaning nearly the only ways to gain power is to make something more efficient which I think a ported intake mani won't be for better hp as I don't think any more airflow will occur into the motor, only more of the laminova exposed meaning better IAT2's. I'm pretty sure someone already proved this... It's not an amazing difference, but it's something... I got the Ported Intake Mani for free and came with a ntp port.
11-23-2012, 03:37 PM
#22
Yes I know I know. Technically the pressure is created in the intake mani on our cars. The blower is creating airflow but since it's a set speed you can only improve so much... Example Intake and exhaust don't even get close to hp gain that a simple pulley down will...
