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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 11:08 AM
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If an engine part fails, it's very common that it's a piston or ring. If a piston or ring fails, it's pretty common that it's #4 due to fueling issues.

You're right but have you ever actually seen a Cobalt "crack" a piston. I've seen them burn some up and even blow apart some rings but never crack one. And I'm aware that 90% when Cobalts have engine internal problems it's the #4 piston but how can you be sure it's a blown engine just by listening to a video?

Getting back to actually helping the problem- If you think it might be a cat issue after you do a compression test disconnect the down pipe and see if it runs any better. Obviously if you find something wrong during the compression test theres no need to do this.
at this point it is not the cat, i can smell unburnt gas from the exhaust so one of the pistons arent firing. im going to check the spark plugs, if there is nothing wrong then i will do a compression test. its cold as **** right now so im gonna wait a couple hours.

im taking out the spark plugs now, the three that i got out are black and smell fuel soaked. the furthest one to the right is tight coming out. i am putting a lot of force trying to get it out but i dont want to break it. it did rotate a few times before getting tough. help me out. what should i do next.

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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dainslaif
If an engine part fails, it's very common that it's a piston or ring. If a piston or ring fails, it's pretty common that it's #4 due to fueling issues.
You're right but have you ever actually seen a Cobalt "crack" a piston. I've seen them burn some up and even blow apart some rings but never crack one. And I'm aware that 90% when Cobalts have engine internal problems it's the #4 piston but how can you be sure it's a blown engine just by listening to a video?

Getting back to actually helping the problem- If you think it might be a cat issue after you do a compression test disconnect the down pipe and see if it runs any better. Obviously if you find something wrong during the compression test theres no need to do this.
Yes. Yes I have. I've seen a piston blow a piece off that then shredded the sleeve and destroyed the exhaust valve. It can happen, it's just not that common.

A lot of people can tell because there's on average at least one thread every other week asking if their engine's blown. Generally if it sounds like total ****, something inside broke.

Although, now that I watched that video, that's definitely not a cat, something is really fucked up with that engine. Make sure every cyl is getting spark, and if it is then time to tear it apart. Check for oil on the pistons/plugs too. I would recommend not starting it again until you got a compression and leakdown test done.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 11:50 AM
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at this point it is not the cat, i can smell unburnt gas from the exhaust so one of the pistons arent firing. im going to check the spark plugs, if there is nothing wrong then i will do a compression test. its cold as **** right now so im gonna wait a couple hours.

im taking out the spark plugs now, the three that i got out are black and smell fuel soaked. the furthest one to the right is tight coming out. i am putting a lot of force trying to get it out but i dont want to break it. it did rotate a few times before getting tough. help me out. what should i do next.
turn it back in and try backing it out again. it may have just cross threaded a little
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 12:08 PM
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do not, I repeat do not use the bosch + anything in these cars.
NGK 1 step colder iridium's are the way to. Never had a single issue with them in this or my RX-7, or any of the other 20+ cars I've owned/raced.
Same here, not one problem yet with them.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 01:27 PM
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what a bitch, i have to turn it back an forth then wait ten minutes while wd40 soaks and turn it back and forth some more. but it is slowly coming out.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 02:10 PM
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Bet he finds the end of the plug has some aluminum welded to it.....
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 02:31 PM
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should i go with the iriduims or coppers? and i one some website it said to use needle nose plyers to gap them, not a gaping tool because it will take off the iriduim coating.... so how would you measure the gap.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 02:33 PM
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Im thinking a helicoil will be needed,because it is slowly taking the threads out with it.
Unless you have some luck on your side.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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Bet he finds the end of the plug has some aluminum welded to it.....
you were right my friend, the end is blown off too. and the threads are trashed. im uploading pics and ill post them. what do i need to do now?
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 02:53 PM
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It would be great if you could blame the end of the plug doing the damage.

Take a good macro pick of the end of the plug.

No warranty left i guess
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 03:31 PM
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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HOLY ****.... Uhm, hope for your sake that **** didn't go down in the motor.

NGK BKR7E copper plugs gap them .32-.35 and try again.... and hand tight the plugs down and then do a quick 1/4 turn further!

And pray that missing metal isn't in the cylinder!
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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im pretty sure the threads are stripped so bad from the end of the plug that a new one wont go in... and i can see marks on the piston where it hit the spark plug.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 04:29 PM
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HOW did this happen again???? Was the plug longer then the other's???
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 04:34 PM
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i have no clue how it happend, its just what i found once i got the plug out. guess i have to take it somewhere because i dont know what to do next. i guess no one else has had this happen.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 04:42 PM
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That's crazy i have never seen anything like that. Is it possible that one of the plugs was different than the other 3 ?? If i were you id pull the others and compare them to the Mangled plug the best you can. ANYTIME i install new plugs i always compare the one i just pulled to the one i am about to install..Ya never know.... Did u get them at autozone ????
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 04:45 PM
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That plug look EXTREMLY long for being in a 4cyc IMO
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 05:00 PM
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owned. that wierd and i thought i had it bad when you can put ur finger threw my #2 piston

your gonna have to take it apart, hopefully the stealership can take care of it, im thinkin teardown

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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 05:39 PM
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def a blown engine huh guys??? Now you see why i wouldnt say that was the problem?
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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I will tell you how it happened.

He changed the spark plugs, then the engine broke.

There is no rocket science here.

Why did you change the plugs the first place? Did you use the right kind? You cross threaded it installing it, you damaged the piston. You used WD40 on a spark plug (which destroyed engine oil). Your engine is probably damaged significantly at this point, I would get some additional help before trying to put it back together again.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 06:33 PM
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcent
I will tell you how it happened.

He changed the spark plugs, then the engine broke.

There is no rocket science here.

Why did you change the plugs the first place? Did you use the right kind? You cross threaded it installing it, you damaged the piston. You used WD40 on a spark plug (which destroyed engine oil). Your engine is probably damaged significantly at this point, I would get some additional help before trying to put it back together again.
i used the right plugs buddy, i compared the two when i changed them, i changed them because the car was running like crap. it kept running like crap and one day the check engine light started blinking but would only do it in higher gears. my guess is the misfiring blew the end of it off. what caused the misfiring is beyond me and it will have to be opened up to actually tell what happend. many things could have caused this. i did not cross thread the plugs, i tightened it with my fingered then torqued it once it was already threaded through. there was melted aluminum at the end of the plug where it got blown off, thats what caused it to strip out. i love ******** that act like they know all.

oh and if you really think that i care about the oil at this point your crazy. besides i barely sprayed it and the most that would do is make it smoke for a second when it first started.
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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"Nussle" i love ******** that act like they know all.


^^^o wow

Halfcent..... knows more than you I can image but I read that you wrote
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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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lol well hes wrong this time. he can just come out and state that i crossthreaded the plug? thats not even why it stripped out. i stated earlier about the melted aluminum at the end of the plug.

i really think its impossible to say anything about your car problems on here without getting bashed. there is also oil on the plugs. the car has 60k on it now so im not real suprised that this happend.

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Old Jan 10, 2009 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AdamL187
def a blown engine huh guys??? Now you see why i wouldnt say that was the problem?
Originally Posted by Nussle
i really think its impossible to say anything about your car problems on here without getting bashed. there is also oil on the plugs. the car has 60k on it now so im not real suprised that this happend.
Oil on plugs usually means piston ring failure (which people refer to as a blown engine). Do you ever get tired of being condescending and wrong, Adam?

Let this be a lesson to you Nussle - if your car has a blinking CEL then you need to do a compression and leakdown test IMMEDIATELY, then if both of those pass try replacing other parts.
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