Hole in firewall!
easy solution get a lawyer. they will handle it. if your side of the story is true an attorney will be able to help you out. you may be able to claim lemon law not sure. so ya talk to an attorney
Need to talk to dealer and threaten them with a lawyer. They scammed you. Lemon law only applies on new cars though, so that option is out. Call the Attorney General's office in you area and see what they recommend. Call GM corporate too and complain about the warranty deal.
not unless u win find a attorney that will fight for winning wages so when u do win and they give back ur money as well as u get rid of the car and loans u can pay off that attorney and research a new cobalt ss and F that dealership. I have a friend who worked at a dealership and they sold a lady (somehow) a stick shift car, she had no idea of driving a manual and she went through the clutch in less than a week and they refused to fix it. Dealerships r scammers when getting a loan go through a Insurance company they will watch ur ass
an attorney may be expensive but if he can get you out of that car it would be worth it. think about it youve only had it this short time and you already dropped a grand on a clutch. return the clutch and give the money to a lawyer have him get you out of the car and move on.
yeah return that clutch and drop it on a lawyer get out of that lemon go find a nicer one
oh btw dealerships r in no way shape or form to F$#! us over so do what u can to screw them over with that lemon man
warranty's are overrated n e way. Make sure with a warranty u get CAR borrow as well. So when u have to take ur car in u get another car to drive in. Dealerships don't tell the details on warranty's. I'd rather by a 150k car from a mechanic than a BRAND new Camaro from a dealership just cause they make bank off some warranty which is a gamble cause NEW cars should never break down.
oh btw dealerships r in no way shape or form to F$#! us over so do what u can to screw them over with that lemon man
warranty's are overrated n e way. Make sure with a warranty u get CAR borrow as well. So when u have to take ur car in u get another car to drive in. Dealerships don't tell the details on warranty's. I'd rather by a 150k car from a mechanic than a BRAND new Camaro from a dealership just cause they make bank off some warranty which is a gamble cause NEW cars should never break down.
The hyundai dealership STATED there was warranty, also you have signed legal documents from the dealership stating warranty... it is THEIR fault and address them on it, they are supposed to do all the leg work finding out the history of the car they are selling.
I would call the hyundai dealership and ask them to take the car back for full value you payed, otherwise threaten legal action as they falsified a legal document...
Good luck.
I would call the hyundai dealership and ask them to take the car back for full value you payed, otherwise threaten legal action as they falsified a legal document...
Good luck.
not unless u win find a attorney that will fight for winning wages so when u do win and they give back ur money as well as u get rid of the car and loans u can pay off that attorney and research a new cobalt ss and F that dealership. I have a friend who worked at a dealership and they sold a lady (somehow) a stick shift car, she had no idea of driving a manual and she went through the clutch in less than a week and they refused to fix it. Dealerships r scammers when getting a loan go through a Insurance company they will watch ur ass
That is in no way the dealerships fault... it is the womans for being stupid enough to go through with the sale.
yeah but if i sent my brother in for a car or sister and they wanted a certain car and they Don't know better as HUMAN beings if someone knows something ain't right don't do it but Dealerships like to screw people. And they laughed about it like a joke. Honestly it's sad how people out there could do this. No wonder why this nation is in a hole. She told them she couldn't drive it they gave her a "30 Second" lessen and she felt confident enough to drive it. Now if i was a salesman which im glad im not i would told her to by a auto. They screwed her and anyone who would walk into a dealership. that's wat they do
yeah but if i sent my brother in for a car or sister and they wanted a certain car and they Don't know better as HUMAN beings if someone knows something ain't right don't do it but Dealerships like to screw people. And they laughed about it like a joke. Honestly it's sad how people out there could do this. No wonder why this nation is in a hole. She told them she couldn't drive it they gave her a "30 Second" lessen and she felt confident enough to drive it. Now if i was a salesman which im glad im not i would told her to by a auto. They screwed her and anyone who would walk into a dealership. that's wat they do
People need to take responsibilty for their own actions and stop blaming others because it didn't work out.
And FYI,
The country isn't doing well because the current generation of people was never taught the true meaning of Freedom and the Pursuit of Happiness. We are free to succeed and obtain everything we want in life and that is a rare thing that we should be thankful for. But, that is not a guarantee of success and happiness because we are also free to fail and fail miserably. People should try to do the right thing by others because someday they will be judged for their actions and held accountable by a higher power. It's pursuit of happiness, not guaranteed happiness...
To the OP:
Your warranty was blocked because of either
1) A Wreck that was reported and possibly a total loss. Is the car a salvage title?
2) The car was modified and a dealer blocked the warranty and refused a claim on the drivetrain.
Both of which are very common with Cobalts, especially the second one.
Also, the Hyundai dealership would have no way of knowing if the GM warranty was blocked as it was blocked internally within GM, they aren't a GM dealership.
I'd try to sell the car if you aren't happy with it and move on. $12,000 loan is pretty high for a used Cobalt though so you might be stuck with what you got.
I'd say the best your gonna get is a pat on the back and few $100 from the Hyundai dealership. To them, who is to say that you didn't ride the clutch and do burn outs for three days? The clutch is a wear item anyway and is NOT covered under GM's warranty regaurdless, neither is a hole in the firewall that wasn't caused by rust. Do some searching on this site about the history of Cobalt clutches and warranty claims.
Still confused about how a hole in the firewall can be affecting the clutch anyway? Maybe the mechanic told you a story? Have you seen the hole or have any pictures?
Sorry about sounding so negative but I'm just trying to tell you how it is, I wouldn't waste my time or money on an attorney, just deal with the car or try to sell it and see what the Hyundai dealership will do for you if anything. Good luck!
Last edited by leviticus88; Aug 31, 2010 at 09:51 PM.
Yes the Hyundai dealership would have no way of knowing of the warranty block, but as the seller of the vehicle, I do believe they have the legal responsibility of checking into the vehicle in fact still having the warranty. Especially since they are representing it to the customer as having one. That there is misrepresentation and is illegal.
Yes the Hyundai dealership would have no way of knowing of the warranty block, but as the seller of the vehicle, I do believe they have the legal responsibility of checking into the vehicle in fact still having the warranty. Especially since they are representing it to the customer as having one. That there is misrepresentation and is illegal.
I've heard of this.....the firewall splits around the clutch master. As you know the clutch master is a spin lock to the firewall. In the case I am referring the damage occurs due to a clutch that requres some leg like an exedy hyper single. I could not belive it myself. Very surprised to find out that was the case.
Take your documentation on the warranty BACK to the dealer and make the following statements, to be explained in whatever manner you choose so long as you get the point across, remain calm and don't yammer on about anything the dealer cannot do for you right then and there.
Understand that in most states you have either 7 or 14 days to return a vehicle for whatever reason you so choose to the place you bought it from and seek refund for which you need not have reason, they must honor this. This is because some dealerships will do things like put 60 weight racing oil in an engine with 6psi oil pressure at idle so it will remain quiet and drive ok for the potential customer. But as soon as they take it home it will act up.
Now there are several angles of approach, first is direct confrontation, your best option.
Walk into the dealership, without getting into details you would like to speak with a manager about a vehicle you purchased. At this point, if your sneaky like me, you have pressed the camcorder record function on your phone while it sits in your pocket. Here is where you tell the manager "I like the car, thanks for working with me, I have a question about the powertrain warranty. How does that work for my car? Do I take it to the dealership? Can I use the paperwork you gave me> What if they give me problems? NEVER AT ANY TIME suggest you already have a problem. Your goal is to get said manager to represent your purchase as including a warranty.
Your next step is to come back at a later date, or segway the conversation on the spot from the above into the basics. "I had a problem with the clutch, I decided to use the warranty available to me, took it to the dealer who informed me the warranty had been denied before I purchased it, and also informed me the car had been in an unreported accident. Would this mean this vehicle was not inspected before the sale? How can we redeem this warranty problem? Will YOU honor my warranty?
as always record the conversation. You are not legally obligated to inform anyone face to face they are being recorded (that only applies over the phone or in legal proceedings)
At no time appear to be distraught. You should remain calm the entire time, the goal is to get them out of their comfort zone, it is after all a game we must be good at in a economy such as it is.
Now after having explained your problem, and gotten your first response to a solution if it is unacceptable you have more options.
"I was hoping we could resolve this without having to involve any third parties, I would not want to contact the Better Business Bureau with this information and I would be more than happy to reccomend you to my friends if we could resolve this." Be sure to contact the BBB regardless. Also there are normally bank clauses that target the dealer themselves as part of the contract. Normally before the first payment is made the dealer has to take the car back otherwise they will not be paid the purchase price. Not every bank does this but more and more do. Your next option is to explain that due to this problem you will contact your bank (especially if you within the first month) and seek nullification of the loan. It is highly likely the dealer has not received the actual money for the car unless you negotiated the loan yourself and received a cashiers check to purchase the car. There are still more options. One is a letter to the editor of your local paper, you would be surprised how that can affect a business, and believe me dealers know this, word of mouth is everything, shady dealers NEVER last more than a couple years.
Take this advice and mold it to fit your particular problem, and let me make sure you understand you cannot raise your voice, get snippy, have an attitude or otherwise exhibit ANY negative emotion. Often if you go in positively expecting your problem to be resolved, it will be.
Understand that in most states you have either 7 or 14 days to return a vehicle for whatever reason you so choose to the place you bought it from and seek refund for which you need not have reason, they must honor this. This is because some dealerships will do things like put 60 weight racing oil in an engine with 6psi oil pressure at idle so it will remain quiet and drive ok for the potential customer. But as soon as they take it home it will act up.
Now there are several angles of approach, first is direct confrontation, your best option.
Walk into the dealership, without getting into details you would like to speak with a manager about a vehicle you purchased. At this point, if your sneaky like me, you have pressed the camcorder record function on your phone while it sits in your pocket. Here is where you tell the manager "I like the car, thanks for working with me, I have a question about the powertrain warranty. How does that work for my car? Do I take it to the dealership? Can I use the paperwork you gave me> What if they give me problems? NEVER AT ANY TIME suggest you already have a problem. Your goal is to get said manager to represent your purchase as including a warranty.
Your next step is to come back at a later date, or segway the conversation on the spot from the above into the basics. "I had a problem with the clutch, I decided to use the warranty available to me, took it to the dealer who informed me the warranty had been denied before I purchased it, and also informed me the car had been in an unreported accident. Would this mean this vehicle was not inspected before the sale? How can we redeem this warranty problem? Will YOU honor my warranty?
as always record the conversation. You are not legally obligated to inform anyone face to face they are being recorded (that only applies over the phone or in legal proceedings)
At no time appear to be distraught. You should remain calm the entire time, the goal is to get them out of their comfort zone, it is after all a game we must be good at in a economy such as it is.
Now after having explained your problem, and gotten your first response to a solution if it is unacceptable you have more options.
"I was hoping we could resolve this without having to involve any third parties, I would not want to contact the Better Business Bureau with this information and I would be more than happy to reccomend you to my friends if we could resolve this." Be sure to contact the BBB regardless. Also there are normally bank clauses that target the dealer themselves as part of the contract. Normally before the first payment is made the dealer has to take the car back otherwise they will not be paid the purchase price. Not every bank does this but more and more do. Your next option is to explain that due to this problem you will contact your bank (especially if you within the first month) and seek nullification of the loan. It is highly likely the dealer has not received the actual money for the car unless you negotiated the loan yourself and received a cashiers check to purchase the car. There are still more options. One is a letter to the editor of your local paper, you would be surprised how that can affect a business, and believe me dealers know this, word of mouth is everything, shady dealers NEVER last more than a couple years.
Take this advice and mold it to fit your particular problem, and let me make sure you understand you cannot raise your voice, get snippy, have an attitude or otherwise exhibit ANY negative emotion. Often if you go in positively expecting your problem to be resolved, it will be.
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I have already contacted BBB and The Attorney of Ohio on the situation. I'm not a clutch expert, but the place where I took my clutch to is a transmission shop and they have a very good rep. around here in my city. They do good quality work and stand behind it all the way. They said the hole/crack whatever it may be (i saw it it was a hole and it has a peice of metal over the hole with a few screws in it) is putting stress on the clutch. How or why i do not know, i know very little about clutches when it comes to stuff like this.
I spoke with the GM at the dealership where i bought the car from twice today and told him about the hole in the firewall and also informed him that the warranty I signed papers for was indeed blocked when I took the car to my local gm dealership. The service manager whom I spoke to said the warranty was blocked quite a few months maybe even a year ago. (i'm not sure, I have the paper in my glove box, but my car is sitting on a lift at the tranny shop a mile down the road, I can check it tomorrow for clarification) The warranty block is on the entire 36k Mile 5 Year powertrain warranty, but they do not know why the warranty has a block on it. Why I don't know and to be honest I do not care because as soon as I found out the car did not have the warranty presented I no longer want the car. I love the car, it's amazing and it looks nice, but if it doesn't have the warranty then I do not want it and the warranty is the #1 reason we decided to make the purchase.
My 2 options are either:
A. To continue to get the car fixed and if all is well with it go on my way with the car and try to continue the process of finding out why my warranty I signed for is blocked and figure out what is going to be done about it.
B. Get the car in good condition by having the clutch fixed and the firewall patched and make sure it isn't doing damage to the clutch and then try to sell the car for a reasonable amount that won't make it too painful to pay off the loan and then go from there on a different car and be more adament about making sure with a dealership that the car indeed has warranty and indeed has been in 0 wrecks and is in excellent condition.
I spoke with the GM at the dealership where i bought the car from twice today and told him about the hole in the firewall and also informed him that the warranty I signed papers for was indeed blocked when I took the car to my local gm dealership. The service manager whom I spoke to said the warranty was blocked quite a few months maybe even a year ago. (i'm not sure, I have the paper in my glove box, but my car is sitting on a lift at the tranny shop a mile down the road, I can check it tomorrow for clarification) The warranty block is on the entire 36k Mile 5 Year powertrain warranty, but they do not know why the warranty has a block on it. Why I don't know and to be honest I do not care because as soon as I found out the car did not have the warranty presented I no longer want the car. I love the car, it's amazing and it looks nice, but if it doesn't have the warranty then I do not want it and the warranty is the #1 reason we decided to make the purchase.
My 2 options are either:
A. To continue to get the car fixed and if all is well with it go on my way with the car and try to continue the process of finding out why my warranty I signed for is blocked and figure out what is going to be done about it.
B. Get the car in good condition by having the clutch fixed and the firewall patched and make sure it isn't doing damage to the clutch and then try to sell the car for a reasonable amount that won't make it too painful to pay off the loan and then go from there on a different car and be more adament about making sure with a dealership that the car indeed has warranty and indeed has been in 0 wrecks and is in excellent condition.
u should ve seen my buddys vette after he hit a mail box $12,000 later he sold it cuz of problems from the hit. go back to the dealer or call NICELY but NOT as a pushover either let them know it is their issue and u need it fixed. a rep will try to make it your problem so make it his first.
Ive browsed through this thread some and i noticed you said it had hit a mailbox and it was at a hyundai dealership 100 miles away and youre from indiana, its sunburst orange metallic...did you buy this car in ohio? superior hyundai north or something like that in fairfield ohio? around 28,000 miles? i recall looking at this car and seeing it had like 4 previous owners and hit a mailbox and the police report classification stated on the carfax translated to the car being damaged at the scene to the point that it needed to be towed away...i really hope this wasnt the car you bought, if it is i guess theres not much you can do unless you get into legal stuff
I have shoved the mc through the firewall
The problem is there is tabs that hold the mc in the firewall and with a stage 3 clutch the firewall was flexing and eventually broke through. I had lots of miles on the unit with 2 new mc. Under harder use racing etc it would probably happen sooner.
I have now welded a 1/4 steel plate on the firewall and replaced the mc with a aftermarket willwood master cylinder. Also put in a after market petal (willwood) while I was at it. The previous owner might have changed back to stock after heavy racing.
I have now welded a 1/4 steel plate on the firewall and replaced the mc with a aftermarket willwood master cylinder. Also put in a after market petal (willwood) while I was at it. The previous owner might have changed back to stock after heavy racing.
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Ive browsed through this thread some and i noticed you said it had hit a mailbox and it was at a hyundai dealership 100 miles away and youre from indiana, its sunburst orange metallic...did you buy this car in ohio? superior hyundai north or something like that in fairfield ohio? around 28,000 miles? i recall looking at this car and seeing it had like 4 previous owners and hit a mailbox and the police report classification stated on the carfax translated to the car being damaged at the scene to the point that it needed to be towed away...i really hope this wasnt the car you bought, if it is i guess theres not much you can do unless you get into legal stuff
yes this is the one. but still there was nothing saying there was no warranty involved and stuff. i figured they had it towed away because they were claiming insurance on it. hence why it was on carfax. the hole/crack is not very big. about 2-3 inches in diameter, nothing a quick weld couldn't fix if done correctly i wouldn't think.


