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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:06 PM
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Swapped the head out on my car because the one on it was leaking oil. Got the timing set but when we tried to start it we only have compression on 1 & 3. We turned the motor over by hand before trying to start it to make sure it was in time so we didn't bend any valves so we know it's not that but we are at a loss. The head is a remanufactured one that came fully assembled. Obviously at least one valve on each cylinder isn't sealing but does anyone have any idea why or has anyone else had this happen?
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:16 PM
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dumb question but on the compression test you made sure that each piston was at top dead center when being tested?
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:17 PM
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even if the engine were out of time slightly it would still have compression. I believe we can be up to 3* out before we get valve contact.

Have you rotated the engine with the valve cover off to see whats opening and what isnt?
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BLAZIN07SS
dumb question but on the compression test you made sure that each piston was at top dead center when being tested?
I think you are confusing compression test with leakdown.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BLAZIN07SS
dumb question but on the compression test you made sure that each piston was at top dead center when being tested?
It makes no difference when doing a dry or wet compression test.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:22 PM
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even if the engine were out of time slightly it would still have compression. I believe we can be up to 3* out before we get valve contact.

Have you rotated the engine with the valve cover off to see whats opening and what isnt?
Yes when we turned it over by hand we had the valve cover off the whole time. When it was out of time and we tried to turn it over by hand we could feel it hitting the valves and it was only 1 or 2 links off on the chain

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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:25 PM
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where was the old head leaking oil?
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:25 PM
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I think you are confusing compression test with leakdown.
ugh brainfart i fail

a leakdown test really should be the next step though
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:31 PM
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Remember,
Intake,compression,power and exhaust
Being at tdc isn't enough ,you have to be on the right stroke!

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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:35 PM
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It was leaking around the timing chain tensioner. The shop that put the head together said that when they assemble the head they turn the cams so that the lobes are fully pushing down the lifters to bleed the air out of them but sometimes they don't let it sit quite long enough and that keeps the valves from fully sealing til the air bleeds out. Could it be something simple like that?
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Coblasts
Remember,
Intake,compression,power and exhaust
Being at tdc isn't enough ,you have to be on the right stroke!
That wouldn't explain having compression on 1 & 3 and no compression on 2 & 4.
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BLAZIN07SS
ugh brainfart i fail

a leakdown test really should be the next step though
Yes. Leakdown time.

Are you saying you had Zero compression on 1 and 3?
What was the gauge actually reading?
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Old Dec 22, 2011 | 11:43 PM
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No 1 & 3 had compression. 2 & 4 had none and this was with the trusty finger test because we didn't have a tester with us today.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 12:04 AM
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sorry i had it backwards. but if there is zero compression that head has to be fuct.

Where in Ohio are you?
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 12:08 AM
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Seems to be zero but there may be the slightest bit. Could it be what I said about the lifters not having all the air bled outta them and not letting the valve seal?

I live in a little town called Bloomingdale, about an hour west of pittsburgh, PA.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 12:39 AM
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Ah. yer way down south. I'm up above Youngstown.

Im not sure, but I dont think its a lifter problem. if a lifter is collapsed the valve will be closed, not stuck open.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 12:46 AM
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Yeah I'm about an hour and a half from Youngstown.

Idk what the deal is because the cams turn over fine and the valves move fine but apparently they just aren't closing fully
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 12:50 AM
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you need to find a shop to do a leakdown. it will reveal which valves arent sealing.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 11:53 AM
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I'm also gonna call the company that built the head to see what they have to say because it came with a warranty but I'll get a leakdown test done on it. I'm really hoping this head is useable though
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 01:11 PM
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Just called the company and the only thing they said was that it could be 180 degrees outta time but some of the valves aren't closing so that can't be the problem.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 09:13 PM
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Pulled the head off again and rotated the cams while shining a light through the intake and exhaust ports to see which valves weren't sealing. There only seems to be 2, an intake valve on #4 and an exhaust valve on #2. Is there anything I can do besides send it back to the company and have them redo the lifters and valves on those cylinders?
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Old Dec 25, 2011 | 12:44 AM
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Yup. They duffed the valves. You can take the cams out and disassemble the springs, valves, and lifters to see if they were installed wrong. Just be careful not to drop a valve into the cyl.
They may have just reused valves that were bad/bent.
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