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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 01:16 PM
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Shifter Dead - Roll Pin?

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Was doing some spirited driving on the way home from school today. Doing a change from 4th to 5th, and I knew the gear wasn't in. Thought I fucked up, so went back to forth, no feedback. All my gears are dead at this point, so I'm cruising at 65mph on i75.. lol. Just got towed home from this. While I was waiting for the truck, did some googling on here from my phone. None of the gears will basically go into their "gate." Shifter is 100% play and doesn't do anything useful. I read that it's either the linkage or roll pin. People have only had select gears go out with linkages, from what I've read. Is my problem the roll pin?
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 01:23 PM
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Probably roll pin but real quick lift out your shift boot and look at the two cable clamps. If you move the shifter and the clamps are lose on the cable you'll see it immediately. the claps will move on the cable, but the cable won't move.
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 01:41 PM
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Probably roll pin but real quick lift out your shift boot and look at the two cable clamps. If you move the shifter and the clamps are lose on the cable you'll see it immediately. the claps will move on the cable, but the cable won't move.
I looked at them while waiting and I don't think I saw anything out of the ordinary from them. They still looked like they were on and the cables moved fine. I was like 30 miles away from home. I have a buddy who works for a tow truck business and knocked like $50 off for me, lol. Still ended up paying $85.
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 02:00 PM
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That sucks dude. That happened to me on the track... I missed 3rd, and managed to put it into 2nd, and thought something was screwy, so I tried shifting again, then nothing. Wouldn't go into any gear. Same deal.

Is the roll pin the part that attaches directly to the transmission? The dealer called it a pivot of some sort. Can't remember, but I got lucky and the dealer fixed it under warranty *fewf*. But really! It shouldn't break so easy!
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 02:13 PM
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The roll pin gives so that if you gorilla a shift the transmission itself doesn't give. Problem is that it's a pain to get at.
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 02:46 PM
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I'm not surprised really. AFAIK this is the first one being changed on it after 153k miles.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/how-...ission-102830/

This still the guide that everyone is using?
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 03:59 PM
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There is 2 roll pins I believe. Pop out fuse box and take a look. U should see it pretty easily
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 05:54 PM
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3 pieces.
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 05:55 PM
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sucks, but the good news is your tranny's probably not in pieces.

Last edited by Sox-Fan; Apr 20, 2012 at 05:56 PM. Reason: probably not
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 06:40 PM
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sucks, but the good news is your tranny's probably not in pieces.
True.
I actually couldn't get the new roll pin in all the way, it hangs out a little bit.. But we'll see what happens.
Shifter seems REALLY stiff now, I like it.
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 06:43 PM
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I was looking at the write up. Why do you have to take off the tire? It doesn't seem like you would need to do that? Do you pop out the old one by going through there? Seems like you coul just do it all from the top?
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 06:50 PM
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The two times I've seen it done the guy pulled the fuse box and reached right in.
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Old Apr 20, 2012 | 06:51 PM
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I was looking at the write up. Why do you have to take off the tire? It doesn't seem like you would need to do that? Do you pop out the old one by going through there? Seems like you coul just do it all from the top?
I didn't take off the tire. My pin was already in 3 pieces and was coming out by itself. Just pushed a bar-b-que stick through the hole to get the rest out.
None of my stores had a roll pin pusher, and I had to go to 4 stores before I got the roll pin, including a dealership. Got it for free though.
Only problem I have is the new one barely hangs out from the back.
Shifter is as firm as ever though. I would recommend doing this whenever you got free time, because its a whole new world with my shifter now, lol.
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Old Apr 21, 2012 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Gelladuga69
I'm not surprised really. AFAIK this is the first one being changed on it after 153k miles.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/how-...ission-102830/

This still the guide that everyone is using?
Oh man... That's all it was? Well, it is nice that that piece is there to protect the tranny, but man... such a flimsy piece, no wonder it broke.

Good news is now, if it breaks I know how to fix it! heh. However I think some tranny/motor mounts and shifter bushings are in order so I can prevent crappy shifts from happening all together. heh.
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PyroSiege
Oh man... That's all it was? Well, it is nice that that piece is there to protect the tranny, but man... such a flimsy piece, no wonder it broke.

Good news is now, if it breaks I know how to fix it! heh. However I think some tranny/motor mounts and shifter bushings are in order so I can prevent crappy shifts from happening all together. heh.
Yeah, a 20 cent piece protects like a 2k part.
If you're doing mounts, I HIGHLY recommend this. Like I said, it firms up the shifter a TON.
That along with a new shifter and tranny oil would probably feel pretty damn good.

FYI, you don't have to take off your tire. I dunno why the write up has you do that.
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 01:42 AM
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Yeah, I changed the oil not long ago, but my next upgrade is mounts for sure. Then when I get some more cash I'll get that TWM Shifter kit I think. Looks pretty sweet.

Hey, another question; If you are finding it's starting to get difficult to put it into, say, 1st gear after you've stopped or most of the time, could that be syncros starting to go? I've noticed my car doesn't shift quite as nice as it used to. Like I said, the fluid was changed not long ago.
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PyroSiege
Yeah, I changed the oil not long ago, but my next upgrade is mounts for sure. Then when I get some more cash I'll get that TWM Shifter kit I think. Looks pretty sweet.

Hey, another question; If you are finding it's starting to get difficult to put it into, say, 1st gear after you've stopped or most of the time, could that be syncros starting to go? I've noticed my car doesn't shift quite as nice as it used to. Like I said, the fluid was changed not long ago.
If it's grinding while going in, it's the synchros, I believe.
What's difficult? Is there a lot of resistance?
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Old May 1, 2012 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gelladuga69
If it's grinding while going in, it's the synchros, I believe.
What's difficult? Is there a lot of resistance?
I dunno, it's kinda strange. I just seems to take more effort to get it into gear mostly when stopped. After the fluid got changed it felt so much smoother, then during and after this winter I've noticed I'm having to release the clutch in neutral then depress it again to put it into first (and sometimes reverse).

I used to drive Semi's before and this was a common occurrence with them, but they don't have syncros so it's expected.

It always goes into gear, it just seems there is more resistance lately. While I'm driving it's ok.

I could just be being neurotic and there isn't anything really wrong.
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Where did u guys buy your roll pins from?
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Old Oct 22, 2016 | 07:14 AM
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Where did u guys buy your roll pins from?
I think I got mine from crate engine depot.
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