Void Warranty
It's possible, he'd have to be running about a 30 series sidewall....yet another thing that the dealer can use against him.
It makes a HUGE difference. Not just due to weight but how the axle has to compensate for the weight. Keep in mind that the added mass is ROTATING mass AND unsprung. So you don't have the suspension helping make up for it and you've got more rotating force on the axel.
As for wheel hop, the lower profile tire can and probably did contribute to that as well. Won't make it more or less, but it will ravage the suspension more with a lower profile tire on there.
Uh. WTF kind of logic is that????? Changing wheel size and/or weight, like it or not, affects the suspension of the car. If those changes cause something to break, it shouldn't be warrantied. Nevermind the fact that it shouldn't be warrantied to begin with since it was done while RACING the car.
The dealer has a decent case based on the wheels alone, even if they've got no clue he was racing.
Seems to me that if the wheels are heavier (which they probably are) they would put more stress on the axle, but I don't know how much difference that would make. And if the tires are giving you better traction that would stress the axle more than stock too.
Were you getting wheel hop? That breaks axles too.
Were you getting wheel hop? That breaks axles too.
As for wheel hop, the lower profile tire can and probably did contribute to that as well. Won't make it more or less, but it will ravage the suspension more with a lower profile tire on there.
but the fact is, if you dont have to modify the car to adapt to a different wheel siz, it should be warrientied. yea, bad choice for racing with 20's, but changing the rims is not somthing that should make that much of a difference, face it the balt axles dont seem to stand up to much. and yea you donthave to prove ****, theirs is the burden of proof
The dealer has a decent case based on the wheels alone, even if they've got no clue he was racing.
I say just cut your losses, get a new or used axle. Know better next time. Put your stock items ( wheels, etc.. ) back on before you take in or call roadside. Might be a bitch to do but at least they won't say it's cause you did this .................
i hate people who try to scam dealers into fixing what they broke... **** like this cost GM big bucks every year... People who chip there trucks and blow there motors, then have the nerve to take it in for sevice.. You broke it you should buy it.
What the hell!! the god damn car is stock gm besides the WHEELS. Why the hell would they snap? Poor build quality. if i really wanted to scam the dealer i would have put the stock rims back on and said "What happened!!". Dont tell me im tryin to scam them. If i had the intense stage IV and so on i would def. understand.
What the hell!! the god damn car is stock gm besides the WHEELS. Why the hell would they snap? Poor build quality. if i really wanted to scam the dealer i would have put the stock rims back on and said "What happened!!". Dont tell me im tryin to scam them. If i had the intense stage IV and so on i would def. understand.
Besides, I think it's already been covered why they would have reason to feel that larger, heavier, NON STOCK wheels could have contributed to the issue. You're trying to scam them, even if you don't feel that's accurate, you are.
Lessee when you break something AT THE TRACK, it's abuse and NOT covered under your warranty. You have absolutely NO reason to expect them to fix it in the first place. It's not a manufacturer's defect. I haven't seen a single person to date snap an axel just driving down the street. Every single one has been due to racing.
Besides, I think it's already been covered why they would have reason to feel that larger, heavier, NON STOCK wheels could have contributed to the issue. You're trying to scam them, even if you don't feel that's accurate, you are.
Besides, I think it's already been covered why they would have reason to feel that larger, heavier, NON STOCK wheels could have contributed to the issue. You're trying to scam them, even if you don't feel that's accurate, you are.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
yeh definatly not your fault you broke your car at the track, nice try getting them to fix it but looks like they won't. I think your gonna have to try somewhere else, also argue with the deal if your going to not with people on the forums trying to help you and I guess you could sell your rims and get an new axle and put your stocks back on. Probally worth it seeing it just caused your axel to break
Last edited by yoppzilla; Aug 24, 2007 at 10:40 AM.
i thoght GM said they wouldnt fix anything like borken axles, cracked tranny housings and such becuse the only way any of that happens is due to abuse , plain and simple.
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I broke my axle a week after i got my car , the only reson i got it fixed is becasue i know people at my dealership..even still that was my one freebe. i do think the axle broke to easy(my ford zx2 with a 75shot put up with 5krpm clutch slips for 3 years) but iv lernd my lesson...the axles are a weak link,its all over this site,and all over the web its no secret.
it most likey snaped due to wheel hop, as mine did.i didnt think the dealer would fix it , but i lucked out and it got fixed , they told me im on my own if i do it again.
i see no reson why the dealer should fix it ...first , you have twankies on your car ( they do look nice btw) 2nd , you were at the track .
find an axle and fix it your self ,takes all of 45mins, and im sure you can afford an axle , after all you could afford to "thro some D's on that beouch !"
get some traction mods, and get rid of the duces if you paln on lanching your car.or keep the 20s and dont lanch ....
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I broke my axle a week after i got my car , the only reson i got it fixed is becasue i know people at my dealership..even still that was my one freebe. i do think the axle broke to easy(my ford zx2 with a 75shot put up with 5krpm clutch slips for 3 years) but iv lernd my lesson...the axles are a weak link,its all over this site,and all over the web its no secret.
it most likey snaped due to wheel hop, as mine did.i didnt think the dealer would fix it , but i lucked out and it got fixed , they told me im on my own if i do it again.
i see no reson why the dealer should fix it ...first , you have twankies on your car ( they do look nice btw) 2nd , you were at the track .
find an axle and fix it your self ,takes all of 45mins, and im sure you can afford an axle , after all you could afford to "thro some D's on that beouch !"
get some traction mods, and get rid of the duces if you paln on lanching your car.or keep the 20s and dont lanch ....
That's cool you're dealership gave you a 'freebie'. My dealership is so cheap they probably wouldnt give me a free air freshner ... unless of course I promised to give them 5stars on the survey...
I am sure that if I toast a wheel bearing they will try and claim it was caused by my intake etc. ****.
I am sure that if I toast a wheel bearing they will try and claim it was caused by my intake etc. ****.
Well....cant blame a guy for tryin, i want my car back so i bite the bullet and decided to pay for the repair. the dealer struck a deal with me at $570 installed. Jus another expensive day at the track i guess. Definitely not usin the 20's next time, I know i shoulda changed them but i had a wedding the night before, needed the bling.lol. Guess i pay once again for my laziness. Thanx everyone for ur input (positive or not).
Well....cant blame a guy for tryin, i want my car back so i bite the bullet and decided to pay for the repair. the dealer struck a deal with me at $570 installed. Jus another expensive day at the track i guess. Definitely not usin the 20's next time, I know i shoulda changed them but i had a wedding the night before, needed the bling.lol. Guess i pay once again for my laziness. Thanx everyone for ur input (positive or not).
Thanks for bothering to tell us the outcome. Sorry ya had to pay but , you know, racin kinda breaks stuff sometimes. Good luck with the new axle and glad you are back on the road again.
Really, thanks for lettin us know. Some threads float off into space to die and we never hear the ending. Thanks!
I snapped my axle during my first pass at cayuga on sunday. Got a tow 140 km back home. The car sat in my drive way until tuesday when i had roadside pick it up and bring it to the dealer. The service manager gave e the old "it shouldnt be a problem" gig before i left the car in their hands. I later got a phone call from the same advisor sayin they cannot warranty the axle. Their exuse...The wheels have been modified. R U KIDDING, WHAT THE F*** IS THAT. The car is stock powertrain wise, it has only the gm stage 2. What do wheels have to do with it. I know they are 20's but why would the cause a snapped axle. I need to know if i have any options here, gettin real pissed off.
Well glad to hear that you bit the bullet and got it fixed.
However.......you kept saying over and over that your car was bone stock except for the rims. You put that it has Stage II. That is not bone stock. YES it is a GM setup.....but not bone stock.
Needless to say....racing costs money.....and chalk it up as one of the "lessons learned".
unless im missing something that you are all forgetting, he lives in canada. no magnusson moss in canada. and i remember reading something awhile back that ANY modification to your car in canada and it is legal for them to drop your warranty and your insurance. was pretty ridiculous but they seem to be allowed to do it.
Well....cant blame a guy for tryin, i want my car back so i bite the bullet and decided to pay for the repair. the dealer struck a deal with me at $570 installed. Jus another expensive day at the track i guess. Definitely not usin the 20's next time, I know i shoulda changed them but i had a wedding the night before, needed the bling.lol. Guess i pay once again for my laziness. Thanx everyone for ur input (positive or not).
they said they wouldn't warranty my rotors because the people that did my tire rotations weren't done by GM and the lugs probably weren't torqued down with a torque wrench, causing the rotors to seat uneven and wear grooves...
Their full of ****
Their full of ****


