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Wow...this is getting out of hand.
OK, first, clay bars do not remove swirl marks or scratches. They are a media used to physically remove bonded contaminants from the paint surface. It does this by grabbing the bonded contaminants and drawing it into the clay itself. Think silly putty on newspaper. However, it will not remove scratches or swirl marks, in fact, depending on the aggressiveness of the clay bar, it may actually cause micro marring and swirls. Especially if a large piece of contaminant gets drawn into the clay, then dragged back and forth during the clay process.
Now, Turtle Wax ICE is not a clay bar. Calling it clay bar is wrong, as it is more closer to a chemical cleanser than anything. It uses chemicals to try and break down surface contaminants so they can be wiped away. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a traditional clay bar, and most professional detailers will attest to this. However, it has over the top FILLING abilities. Meaning as it breaks away the contaminants, it leaves a chemical on the surface that is meant to fill in the swirl marks in your paint.
So does TW-ICE Liquid Clay Bar remove swirl marks and scratches? Well, no, it merely fills them in and makes them less visible. Now, for the average person, this may seem like the product is magically removing the swirl marks. But most professional detailers view fillers as the enemy. They mask and disguise the true condition of the paint surface. Most detailers will go through to added process of an isopropanol wipedown after polishing to remove the oils and fillers of the polish to see if the swirls and scratches were removed, or merely masked.
The problem with fillers is they don't last. You put in on, swirls disappear, clouds part, angels sing, and your paint looks flawless. Mission accomplished right? Well, in a few days the environment will wear away those fillers, and your left with the same swirls as when you started. Meaning you then have to continue reapplying the product to maintain the finish. Now if you were to polish out the swirls properly, the swirls are gone. But most people don't have to tools or the product knowledge on how to do this properly. And a lot of the time, professional detailers and hobbyists will clash over this. I mean, when you use a product that in your mind, works flawlessly, your going to defend it. However, there are reasons why professional detailers don't use this product, or products similar to it.
If you detailed a customers car will liquid clay bar, and filled in all the swirls, the car would look good as he drove it home. But imagine how upset the owner would be to find that the swirls that he paid you to get rid of, came back within a few days (conditions depending. This is why pro detailers use the products that they use. They need to remove the paintwork defects permanently, which is why fillers are avoided at all costs.
Now its really up to you on which process you want to use, either masking swirls, or removing them completely. But I think this is where all the arguing over clay bars removing swirls comes from. The Liquid Clay bar masks swirls, but it doesn't remove them.
No process is wrong, and in the end, its your paint, so to each their own
OK, first, clay bars do not remove swirl marks or scratches. They are a media used to physically remove bonded contaminants from the paint surface. It does this by grabbing the bonded contaminants and drawing it into the clay itself. Think silly putty on newspaper. However, it will not remove scratches or swirl marks, in fact, depending on the aggressiveness of the clay bar, it may actually cause micro marring and swirls. Especially if a large piece of contaminant gets drawn into the clay, then dragged back and forth during the clay process.
Now, Turtle Wax ICE is not a clay bar. Calling it clay bar is wrong, as it is more closer to a chemical cleanser than anything. It uses chemicals to try and break down surface contaminants so they can be wiped away. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a traditional clay bar, and most professional detailers will attest to this. However, it has over the top FILLING abilities. Meaning as it breaks away the contaminants, it leaves a chemical on the surface that is meant to fill in the swirl marks in your paint.
So does TW-ICE Liquid Clay Bar remove swirl marks and scratches? Well, no, it merely fills them in and makes them less visible. Now, for the average person, this may seem like the product is magically removing the swirl marks. But most professional detailers view fillers as the enemy. They mask and disguise the true condition of the paint surface. Most detailers will go through to added process of an isopropanol wipedown after polishing to remove the oils and fillers of the polish to see if the swirls and scratches were removed, or merely masked.
The problem with fillers is they don't last. You put in on, swirls disappear, clouds part, angels sing, and your paint looks flawless. Mission accomplished right? Well, in a few days the environment will wear away those fillers, and your left with the same swirls as when you started. Meaning you then have to continue reapplying the product to maintain the finish. Now if you were to polish out the swirls properly, the swirls are gone. But most people don't have to tools or the product knowledge on how to do this properly. And a lot of the time, professional detailers and hobbyists will clash over this. I mean, when you use a product that in your mind, works flawlessly, your going to defend it. However, there are reasons why professional detailers don't use this product, or products similar to it.
If you detailed a customers car will liquid clay bar, and filled in all the swirls, the car would look good as he drove it home. But imagine how upset the owner would be to find that the swirls that he paid you to get rid of, came back within a few days (conditions depending. This is why pro detailers use the products that they use. They need to remove the paintwork defects permanently, which is why fillers are avoided at all costs.
Now its really up to you on which process you want to use, either masking swirls, or removing them completely. But I think this is where all the arguing over clay bars removing swirls comes from. The Liquid Clay bar masks swirls, but it doesn't remove them.
No process is wrong, and in the end, its your paint, so to each their own
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Wow...this is getting out of hand.
OK, first, clay bars do not remove swirl marks or scratches. They are a media used to physically remove bonded contaminants from the paint surface. It does this by grabbing the bonded contaminants and drawing it into the clay itself. Think silly putty on newspaper. However, it will not remove scratches or swirl marks, in fact, depending on the aggressiveness of the clay bar, it may actually cause micro marring and swirls. Especially if a large piece of contaminant gets drawn into the clay, then dragged back and forth during the clay process.
Now, Turtle Wax ICE is not a clay bar. Calling it clay bar is wrong, as it is more closer to a chemical cleanser than anything. It uses chemicals to try and break down surface contaminants so they can be wiped away. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a traditional clay bar, and most professional detailers will attest to this. However, it has over the top FILLING abilities. Meaning as it breaks away the contaminants, it leaves a chemical on the surface that is meant to fill in the swirl marks in your paint.
So does TW-ICE Liquid Clay Bar remove swirl marks and scratches? Well, no, it merely fills them in and makes them less visible. Now, for the average person, this may seem like the product is magically removing the swirl marks. But most professional detailers view fillers as the enemy. They mask and disguise the true condition of the paint surface. Most detailers will go through to added process of an isopropanol wipedown after polishing to remove the oils and fillers of the polish to see if the swirls and scratches were removed, or merely masked.
The problem with fillers is they don't last. You put in on, swirls disappear, clouds part, angels sing, and your paint looks flawless. Mission accomplished right? Well, in a few days the environment will wear away those fillers, and your left with the same swirls as when you started. Meaning you then have to continue reapplying the product to maintain the finish. Now if you were to polish out the swirls properly, the swirls are gone. But most people don't have to tools or the product knowledge on how to do this properly. And a lot of the time, professional detailers and hobbyists will clash over this. I mean, when you use a product that in your mind, works flawlessly, your going to defend it. However, there are reasons why professional detailers don't use this product, or products similar to it.
If you detailed a customers car will liquid clay bar, and filled in all the swirls, the car would look good as he drove it home. But imagine how upset the owner would be to find that the swirls that he paid you to get rid of, came back within a few days (conditions depending. This is why pro detailers use the products that they use. They need to remove the paintwork defects permanently, which is why fillers are avoided at all costs.
Now its really up to you on which process you want to use, either masking swirls, or removing them completely. But I think this is where all the arguing over clay bars removing swirls comes from. The Liquid Clay bar masks swirls, but it doesn't remove them.
No process is wrong, and in the end, its your paint, so to each their own
OK, first, clay bars do not remove swirl marks or scratches. They are a media used to physically remove bonded contaminants from the paint surface. It does this by grabbing the bonded contaminants and drawing it into the clay itself. Think silly putty on newspaper. However, it will not remove scratches or swirl marks, in fact, depending on the aggressiveness of the clay bar, it may actually cause micro marring and swirls. Especially if a large piece of contaminant gets drawn into the clay, then dragged back and forth during the clay process.
Now, Turtle Wax ICE is not a clay bar. Calling it clay bar is wrong, as it is more closer to a chemical cleanser than anything. It uses chemicals to try and break down surface contaminants so they can be wiped away. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a traditional clay bar, and most professional detailers will attest to this. However, it has over the top FILLING abilities. Meaning as it breaks away the contaminants, it leaves a chemical on the surface that is meant to fill in the swirl marks in your paint.
So does TW-ICE Liquid Clay Bar remove swirl marks and scratches? Well, no, it merely fills them in and makes them less visible. Now, for the average person, this may seem like the product is magically removing the swirl marks. But most professional detailers view fillers as the enemy. They mask and disguise the true condition of the paint surface. Most detailers will go through to added process of an isopropanol wipedown after polishing to remove the oils and fillers of the polish to see if the swirls and scratches were removed, or merely masked.
The problem with fillers is they don't last. You put in on, swirls disappear, clouds part, angels sing, and your paint looks flawless. Mission accomplished right? Well, in a few days the environment will wear away those fillers, and your left with the same swirls as when you started. Meaning you then have to continue reapplying the product to maintain the finish. Now if you were to polish out the swirls properly, the swirls are gone. But most people don't have to tools or the product knowledge on how to do this properly. And a lot of the time, professional detailers and hobbyists will clash over this. I mean, when you use a product that in your mind, works flawlessly, your going to defend it. However, there are reasons why professional detailers don't use this product, or products similar to it.
If you detailed a customers car will liquid clay bar, and filled in all the swirls, the car would look good as he drove it home. But imagine how upset the owner would be to find that the swirls that he paid you to get rid of, came back within a few days (conditions depending. This is why pro detailers use the products that they use. They need to remove the paintwork defects permanently, which is why fillers are avoided at all costs.
Now its really up to you on which process you want to use, either masking swirls, or removing them completely. But I think this is where all the arguing over clay bars removing swirls comes from. The Liquid Clay bar masks swirls, but it doesn't remove them.
No process is wrong, and in the end, its your paint, so to each their own
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Wow...this is getting out of hand.
OK, first, clay bars do not remove swirl marks or scratches. They are a media used to physically remove bonded contaminants from the paint surface. It does this by grabbing the bonded contaminants and drawing it into the clay itself. Think silly putty on newspaper. However, it will not remove scratches or swirl marks, in fact, depending on the aggressiveness of the clay bar, it may actually cause micro marring and swirls. Especially if a large piece of contaminant gets drawn into the clay, then dragged back and forth during the clay process.
Now, Turtle Wax ICE is not a clay bar. Calling it clay bar is wrong, as it is more closer to a chemical cleanser than anything. It uses chemicals to try and break down surface contaminants so they can be wiped away. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a traditional clay bar, and most professional detailers will attest to this. However, it has over the top FILLING abilities. Meaning as it breaks away the contaminants, it leaves a chemical on the surface that is meant to fill in the swirl marks in your paint.
So does TW-ICE Liquid Clay Bar remove swirl marks and scratches? Well, no, it merely fills them in and makes them less visible. Now, for the average person, this may seem like the product is magically removing the swirl marks. But most professional detailers view fillers as the enemy. They mask and disguise the true condition of the paint surface. Most detailers will go through to added process of an isopropanol wipedown after polishing to remove the oils and fillers of the polish to see if the swirls and scratches were removed, or merely masked.
The problem with fillers is they don't last. You put in on, swirls disappear, clouds part, angels sing, and your paint looks flawless. Mission accomplished right? Well, in a few days the environment will wear away those fillers, and your left with the same swirls as when you started. Meaning you then have to continue reapplying the product to maintain the finish. Now if you were to polish out the swirls properly, the swirls are gone. But most people don't have to tools or the product knowledge on how to do this properly. And a lot of the time, professional detailers and hobbyists will clash over this. I mean, when you use a product that in your mind, works flawlessly, your going to defend it. However, there are reasons why professional detailers don't use this product, or products similar to it.
If you detailed a customers car will liquid clay bar, and filled in all the swirls, the car would look good as he drove it home. But imagine how upset the owner would be to find that the swirls that he paid you to get rid of, came back within a few days (conditions depending. This is why pro detailers use the products that they use. They need to remove the paintwork defects permanently, which is why fillers are avoided at all costs.
Now its really up to you on which process you want to use, either masking swirls, or removing them completely. But I think this is where all the arguing over clay bars removing swirls comes from. The Liquid Clay bar masks swirls, but it doesn't remove them.
No process is wrong, and in the end, its your paint, so to each their own
OK, first, clay bars do not remove swirl marks or scratches. They are a media used to physically remove bonded contaminants from the paint surface. It does this by grabbing the bonded contaminants and drawing it into the clay itself. Think silly putty on newspaper. However, it will not remove scratches or swirl marks, in fact, depending on the aggressiveness of the clay bar, it may actually cause micro marring and swirls. Especially if a large piece of contaminant gets drawn into the clay, then dragged back and forth during the clay process.
Now, Turtle Wax ICE is not a clay bar. Calling it clay bar is wrong, as it is more closer to a chemical cleanser than anything. It uses chemicals to try and break down surface contaminants so they can be wiped away. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a traditional clay bar, and most professional detailers will attest to this. However, it has over the top FILLING abilities. Meaning as it breaks away the contaminants, it leaves a chemical on the surface that is meant to fill in the swirl marks in your paint.
So does TW-ICE Liquid Clay Bar remove swirl marks and scratches? Well, no, it merely fills them in and makes them less visible. Now, for the average person, this may seem like the product is magically removing the swirl marks. But most professional detailers view fillers as the enemy. They mask and disguise the true condition of the paint surface. Most detailers will go through to added process of an isopropanol wipedown after polishing to remove the oils and fillers of the polish to see if the swirls and scratches were removed, or merely masked.
The problem with fillers is they don't last. You put in on, swirls disappear, clouds part, angels sing, and your paint looks flawless. Mission accomplished right? Well, in a few days the environment will wear away those fillers, and your left with the same swirls as when you started. Meaning you then have to continue reapplying the product to maintain the finish. Now if you were to polish out the swirls properly, the swirls are gone. But most people don't have to tools or the product knowledge on how to do this properly. And a lot of the time, professional detailers and hobbyists will clash over this. I mean, when you use a product that in your mind, works flawlessly, your going to defend it. However, there are reasons why professional detailers don't use this product, or products similar to it.
If you detailed a customers car will liquid clay bar, and filled in all the swirls, the car would look good as he drove it home. But imagine how upset the owner would be to find that the swirls that he paid you to get rid of, came back within a few days (conditions depending. This is why pro detailers use the products that they use. They need to remove the paintwork defects permanently, which is why fillers are avoided at all costs.
Now its really up to you on which process you want to use, either masking swirls, or removing them completely. But I think this is where all the arguing over clay bars removing swirls comes from. The Liquid Clay bar masks swirls, but it doesn't remove them.
No process is wrong, and in the end, its your paint, so to each their own
but your right to each his own, and i dont wash cars for a living (hat) so that customer is me, which is For The Win.
thanx for the post
obviously your so blindsided by your own awesomeness that you cant see what is meant by this post. he is saying neither of us is wrong asshat.
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wow type much? and the liquid claybar isnt the last step in washing and detailing a car, so in the end it isnt the end...
but your right to each his own, and i dont wash cars for a living (hat) so that customer is me, which is For The Win.
thanx for the post
obviously your so blindsided by your own awesomeness that you cant see what is meant by this post. he is saying neither of us is wrong asshat.
but your right to each his own, and i dont wash cars for a living (hat) so that customer is me, which is For The Win.
thanx for the post
obviously your so blindsided by your own awesomeness that you cant see what is meant by this post. he is saying neither of us is wrong asshat.
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theres no need to spend $60 on a "professional" product when a $20 product works just as fine like i said before. quit tryin to disband something you have never used.
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my "temporary fix" works perfectly fine for a very long time, something i dont think he realizes, so it is yet again another person that doesnt know how this product actually works, like i said i stand by stuff that works and it does.
theres no need to spend $60 on a "professional" product when a $20 product works just as fine like i said before. quit tryin to disband something you have never used.
theres no need to spend $60 on a "professional" product when a $20 product works just as fine like i said before. quit tryin to disband something you have never used.
"Now, Turtle Wax ICE is not a clay bar. Calling it clay bar is wrong, as it is more closer to a chemical cleanser than anything. It uses chemicals to try and break down surface contaminants so they can be wiped away. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a traditional clay bar, and most professional detailers will attest to this. However, it has over the top FILLING abilities. Meaning as it breaks away the contaminants, it leaves a chemical on the surface that is meant to fill in the swirl marks in your paint.
So does TW-ICE Liquid Clay Bar remove swirl marks and scratches? Well, no, it merely fills them in and makes them less visible. Now, for the average person, this may seem like the product is magically removing the swirl marks. But most professional detailers view fillers as the enemy. They mask and disguise the true condition of the paint surface. Most detailers will go through to added process of an isopropanol wipedown after polishing to remove the oils and fillers of the polish to see if the swirls and scratches were removed, or merely masked. "
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guess you missed this part of the big post...
"Now, Turtle Wax ICE is not a clay bar. Calling it clay bar is wrong, as it is more closer to a chemical cleanser than anything. It uses chemicals to try and break down surface contaminants so they can be wiped away. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a traditional clay bar, and most professional detailers will attest to this. However, it has over the top FILLING abilities. Meaning as it breaks away the contaminants, it leaves a chemical on the surface that is meant to fill in the swirl marks in your paint.
So does TW-ICE Liquid Clay Bar remove swirl marks and scratches? Well, no, it merely fills them in and makes them less visible. Now, for the average person, this may seem like the product is magically removing the swirl marks. But most professional detailers view fillers as the enemy. They mask and disguise the true condition of the paint surface. Most detailers will go through to added process of an isopropanol wipedown after polishing to remove the oils and fillers of the polish to see if the swirls and scratches were removed, or merely masked. "
"Now, Turtle Wax ICE is not a clay bar. Calling it clay bar is wrong, as it is more closer to a chemical cleanser than anything. It uses chemicals to try and break down surface contaminants so they can be wiped away. It doesn't work anywhere near as well as a traditional clay bar, and most professional detailers will attest to this. However, it has over the top FILLING abilities. Meaning as it breaks away the contaminants, it leaves a chemical on the surface that is meant to fill in the swirl marks in your paint.
So does TW-ICE Liquid Clay Bar remove swirl marks and scratches? Well, no, it merely fills them in and makes them less visible. Now, for the average person, this may seem like the product is magically removing the swirl marks. But most professional detailers view fillers as the enemy. They mask and disguise the true condition of the paint surface. Most detailers will go through to added process of an isopropanol wipedown after polishing to remove the oils and fillers of the polish to see if the swirls and scratches were removed, or merely masked. "
i guess you missed the part where i said i'm not a "professional" car washer as you may call yourself so what my eyes dont see is fine with me, the product does its job as advertised and i'm pleased with it as many many other people are too, so what are you still arguing about? that you know how to professionally polish my knob better than some people??
it's fukin retarded to spend $200 on a "professional" detail, when i can do it myself for less than $10 every time and have it "appear" just as good.
elbow grease, DO WORK SON!
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i guess you missed the part where i said i'm not a "professional" car washer as you may call yourself so what my eyes dont see is fine with me, the product does its job as advertised and i'm pleased with it as many many other people are too, so what are you still arguing about? that you know how to professionally polish my knob better than some people??
it's fukin retarded to spend $200 on a "professional" detail, when i can do it myself for less than $10 every time and have it "appear" just as good.
elbow grease, DO WORK SON!
it's fukin retarded to spend $200 on a "professional" detail, when i can do it myself for less than $10 every time and have it "appear" just as good.
elbow grease, DO WORK SON!
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guys, apparently turtle wax already spotted this post, and they're offering me money to buy my **** and label it as the new Turtle Wax: Dark lineup... what you guys think?
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wow, i know in arkansas no one makes it past 6th grade so let me edumacate yous and yors.
i've had "professional" details (brother in law owns his own company) and i've done it myself with off the shelf "consumer products" and i've made it look just as nice, get it now? thaaaaaaaaaats right, using the turtle wax liquidclaybar among other turtle wx products YAY for the special people!
i dont care if it's perfect, it's all about the instant gratification!
i've had "professional" details (brother in law owns his own company) and i've done it myself with off the shelf "consumer products" and i've made it look just as nice, get it now? thaaaaaaaaaats right, using the turtle wax liquidclaybar among other turtle wx products YAY for the special people!
i dont care if it's perfect, it's all about the instant gratification!
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wow, i know in arkansas no one makes it past 6th grade so let me edumacate yous and yors.
i've had "professional" details (brother in law owns his own company) and i've done it myself with off the shelf "consumer products" and i've made it look just as nice, get it now? thaaaaaaaaaats right, using the turtle wax liquidclaybar among other turtle wx products YAY for the special people!
i dont care if it's perfect, it's all about the instant gratification!
i've had "professional" details (brother in law owns his own company) and i've done it myself with off the shelf "consumer products" and i've made it look just as nice, get it now? thaaaaaaaaaats right, using the turtle wax liquidclaybar among other turtle wx products YAY for the special people!
i dont care if it's perfect, it's all about the instant gratification!
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and i didnt lose, this argument is useless, people more readily use the off the shelf products more than they use the professional **** so wheres your argument again? thats right it's what the consumer buys most which makes the money. if you can market a product to appeal to the masses and have it do a good job then you have money in your pocket. i choose to give my money to this company for the simple fact that their product works and it doesnt cost an arm and a leg... i didnt buy it cuz some guy on a forum has to voice his "professionl opinion" when what the other guy is saying to use works...anyways being the more "mature" man is knowing when to quit arguing about something so stupid AGREE TO DISAGREE!
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and i didnt lose, this argument is useless, people more readily use the off the shelf products more than they use the professional **** so wheres your argument again? thats right it's what the consumer buys most which makes the money. if you can market a product to appeal to the masses and have it do a good job then you have money in your pocket. i choose to give my money to this company for the simple fact that their product works and it doesnt cost an arm and a leg... i didnt buy it cuz some guy on a forum has to voice his "professionl opinion" when what the other guy is saying to use works...anyways being the more "mature" man is knowing when to quit arguing about something so stupid AGREE TO DISAGREE!
There's two ways of fixing it, actually polishing out or just covering it of. If the OP chooses to do it the right way and remove the flaws, like the subject thread states, a few of already have already suggested ways of doing it. Or the OP can do the half ass method of using some turtle wax ice to cover up the area on his trunk, and then all of the flaws will be visible again the next time the car is washed.
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STFU already, you do not know the first thing about any kind of automotive detailing product. So quit trying to act like your magical turtle wax ice is the best there is. There are "professional" grade products out there that are the same price or less than the ice, and guess what they are made by Meguiars and can be purchased in most auto parts stores.
There's two ways of fixing it, actually polishing out or just covering it of. If the OP chooses to do it the right way and remove the flaws, like the subject thread states, a few of already have already suggested ways of doing it. Or the OP can do the half ass method of using some turtle wax ice to cover up the area on his trunk, and then all of the flaws will be visible again the next time the car is washed.
There's two ways of fixing it, actually polishing out or just covering it of. If the OP chooses to do it the right way and remove the flaws, like the subject thread states, a few of already have already suggested ways of doing it. Or the OP can do the half ass method of using some turtle wax ice to cover up the area on his trunk, and then all of the flaws will be visible again the next time the car is washed.
06-11-2008, 12:37 AM
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like i said tard the claybar **** i use or any form of claybar for that matter isnt the last step so whats so hard about understanding it's not the only product i use on swirls and scratches? i guess they must have overlooked you in grade school. it works along with the other steps of detailing the cars paint, like i said before. u either cant understand what i'm sayig or your just completely thick.
WTF do you think a cutting polish does combined with a machine polisher? Oh I guess it's filling it in.
I guess I don't know what I'm talking about though, I've only been detailing cars on the side for close to 8 years.
06-11-2008, 12:41 AM
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So what is your process then ace? I'd really like to hear it. How about some before and after photos also expert?
Oh ****, it that what I've been doing? That must be some good cover up stuff I've been using then, because they don't reappear for me.
WTF do you think a cutting polish does combined with a machine polisher? Oh I guess it's filling it in. I guess I don't know what I'm talking about though, I've only been detailing cars on the side for close to 8 years.
Oh ****, it that what I've been doing? That must be some good cover up stuff I've been using then, because they don't reappear for me.
WTF do you think a cutting polish does combined with a machine polisher? Oh I guess it's filling it in.
I guess I don't know what I'm talking about though, I've only been detailing cars on the side for close to 8 years. and then explain myself like this as if my life had a meaning...I guess I don't know what I'm talking about though, I've only been detailing cars on the side for close to 8 years, cuz i'm sure all that would get rid of the scratches someone put in my paint from a KEY! LMAO remove that ****
06-11-2008, 12:47 AM
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my process is let it sit on the street for a month until my engine parts all arrive, then tear my engine apart rebuild it then voila running car, i dont have time for the paint right now, and if i did, the first thing i would do is use a cutting polish and combined with a machine polisher, Oh I guess it's filling it in. and then explain myself like this as if my life had a meaning...I guess I don't know what I'm talking about though, I've only been detailing cars on the side for close to 8 years, cuz i'm sure all that would get rid of the scratches someone put in my paint from a KEY! LMAO remove that ****
and then explain myself like this as if my life had a meaning...I guess I don't know what I'm talking about though, I've only been detailing cars on the side for close to 8 years, cuz i'm sure all that would get rid of the scratches someone put in my paint from a KEY! LMAO remove that **** I better get back to installing my projector lights and ss decal overlays.
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