ass.... lol.





and trey im not a ricer any more, those days ended long ago!

 

[QUOTE=rockSTAR_SS;3081461]^^^^That so wasn't me posting under anthony's SN!!!

It's official bitches! I'm sprung!


Well Arent you just the spring chicken.... Congrats tho..
How old is she? Your not going to go to jail again of a youngin huh?

RULE #1 2 weeks from now dont be all oh "guys im so in love" Im going to marry this girl!

On a side note. WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!! YOur toO YoUng to bE Tied DOwN YoU GoOn!!!

Please please no babies ok..

STICKERS
So i kinda dropped the ball but I spoke with the nice guy at the decal shop and gave him an idea of what I want so he could be thinking about it for when I go up there.

THE IDEA
GCE will not be in some plane text. The text is still undecided.
There will be either flame or tribal intergrated into the GCE.
INPUT?

I have a list on my pc of people wanting the stickers I know im missing a few and i cant think its 4:25 AM But heres what i got. So someone help me with who im missing.
Aaron
Trey
Rusty
Kevin
Anthany
Matt
Adam = HYMER?

 

so question....roadtrip this weekend to baton rouge for some jack in the box?

 

correct

 

yeah so if there is gonna be flame or tribal on the decal you can take my name off of the list. just not my style. sorry. i may get one made for myself. but who knows.

 

lol can trey say photochop??? the colors of that eclipse seem to be a lil off to me for some reason..

aaron i say tribal on the stickers man if you're gonna put somethin like that on em.

 

Photochop. <---I said it.

She's 18, she's graduating this year, she's quite amazing, no I'm not gonna be like oh shitz I love teh girl! I'm looking for a good, serious relationship. Ask kevin, I've took a long break from women just to sort out my priorities and what I want in the woman I spend my time with. I'm not rushing into something with my guard down this time.

And no babies for another 5-10 years.

Kevin, that's the first day I had my car and it was raining so both cars were soaking wet. The top of the eclipse was still red, the rest was flat black.

No flames for me, and it'll depend on what this "tribal" text looks like. I like the idea of some kinda thin lettered text. That's my input I guess...

 

yeah no liking the flames or tribal

 

ahh ok that explains the gloss to the black paint. lol

 

huh? i'm lost

 

Adam you gotta get video of these things lol that black silvia was freakin sweet. I saw it when i was walking to the bathroom and almost pissed myself. Nice car to lose to tho. Dig race or roll race?

 

hatrickstu mod whats this?

 

Lol ok so you guys ust want 3 letters GCE

 

yeah that was my basic thought on it.....and i can't stop lookin at that stupid michael jackson thing from when he was black its creepy

 

Ok well the stickers are "officially" on hold till further notice.

 

list updated

 

Adam. Did you by-pass your stock heat exchanger? Are you just using the ZZP front mount or are you using your stock intercooler also?

As you all recieved today (if I have your number), I'm designing an air-to-air intercooler system for our cars. This will be a club-wide project, meaning if I'm successful, all you'll have to do is purchase the materials and I'll help you install the system. First, let me explain intercoolers in case everyone doesn't understand.

The term "heat exchanger" basically means heat remover. In our cars we have an air to water intercooling system, which means water flows through the intake manifold by means of the laminova cores. This is a copper core that water/coolant flows thru to capture heat from the air. The water then carries the heat to the stock intercooler, or heat exchanger as some call it, where air moving through "displaces" the heat, or removes it from the coolant. The cooler liquid then returns to the intake manifold to remove more heat.

Now, we all know that water is more dense than air. It's a liquid, whereas air is, well...air. Because air is less dense than water, heat can be removed MUCH easier. This is how an air-to-air intercooling system trumps an air-to-water system. Instead of a water flowing cooling core running through the intake manifold, an air flowing cooling core replaces it. The cool air will remove the heat given off by our stock m62 from the air forced through the pipes into the engine block, where it will then travel via hard aluminum charge piping to a front mount air-to-air intercooler (exactly like the intercooler you see on turbo'd cars). There the air flowing through the intercooler will much more easily and efficiently remove the heat from the air being forced through the pipes into the motor.

Now, again if you don't already know, I bet you're saying "Why does it matter"? This is why. We all know, or are about to know, that the colder the air (and the fuel, but that's another story :] ) going into an internal combustion engine, the more performance you'll gain. Because cooler air has more density for a given volume, cold air intakes generally work by introducing "colder" air from outside the hot engine bay. What does this have to do with intercoolers? Well, the intercooler is what's cooling the air POST blower, or more commonly known as IAT2(intake air temperatures post blower). When the air isn't cooled efficiently then "heat soaking" occurs, which if conviently paired with a lean-running engine can ultimately result in a blown engine.

Those are pretty much the basics. The system I am designing is, like I said, an air to air intercooling system. Here's how I'm going to do it. I'll start by designing and building a bracket to mount the stock m62 supercharger on. This bracket will have to mimick the intake manifold by holding the supercharger in it's original position. Any varience in the position could result in the blades inside the blower seizing up. Next, an adapter plate to meet up to the bottom of the bracket will be fabricated so that the square opening under the supercharger can be shrunk to fit the round 2.5" diameter hard aluminum charge piping. The piping will turn towards the passenger side of the engine bay and run to a front mount intercooler, and continue out the drivers side of the intercooler, then snake its way back to the general area of the inlet ports. From there, a custom 1-2-4 (opposite from the 4-2-1 exhaust header) intake manifold will meet up with the charge piping so the air forced in by the supercharger can enter the engine block. Here is the simplified version: (airflow resembled by "-" dashes)

---Cone filter/Cold air intake-----eaton m62/m90-----adaptor plate/charge piping-----front mount intercooler-----charge piping-----1-2-4 intake manifold---engine block

As you can see in the diagram, air will be sucked in through the 3" cold air intake piping by the m62/m90. Once it passes through the blower, it will then be pushed, or forced, through the remaining charge piping, intercooler, and intake manifold, hence the name "forced induction".

I mention m90 in the diagram because Kevin pointed out to me that by designing a custom bracket I am enabling myself to increase the size of our blower from an m62, stock on our cars, to an m90, stock on grand prix gtp/gxp's(not sure which it is). The only problem I foresee is increasing the load on the stock 2.0 LSJ to turn the larger m90. However, again Kevin mentioned that I wouldn't have to run smaller pulleys on the m90 because it can put out more without drastically dropping the pulley size. This could also be adapted to fit the Harrop TVS, which is also an Eaton designed supercharger, the Twin Screw, or most any other roots-style supercharger able to fit in our cars.

This is definitely something I plan on completing because it would eliminate MANY of the problems our cars face, such as heat soaking and our stock "bottle neck" intake manifold. I would like to include all of GCE in this project. If we are successful and can prove positive gains via dyno graphs, data logs, etc then we could either a) produce the system ourselves under the name of Gulf Coast ECOtecs and sell them or b) sell the design to a company that will potentially be able to better provide this setup to the remaining LSJ community. As it stands, I'm currently only worried about us here in the south, but if this can be extended to help the remaining LSJ community then so be it.

Let me mention that R&D will most likely neither be drastically cheap nor overly expensive. I'll use my car as a tester, and kevin's spare 2.2l engine as a platform to design it from. Once it's designed I'll bolt everything up to my car and give it a good test run. However, I can't do this alone. Kevin has been a good starting help by giving me ideas and helping me come up with a great design. Rusty has a father who has an entire machine shop at his finger tips. I foresee many hours being spent there, so see if you can get the hook up PLEASE Rusty. I'll come explain everything if need be. I'll talk to whoever I have to talk to about getting this done. Aaron, you're very knowledgable with computers and what not. If it is at all possible for you to help me put this design into blue prints once it's finished, then I would be very much in your debt. Everyone else can help as well. I'll need help fabricating the parts, coming up with materials to work with, installation help, and someone's shoulder to cry on if I mess it up. Like I said before, if you do help me and the project is a success, then all you'll have to do is buy the materials and I'll personally help you install everything and get it running. Down time will probably be an estimated 1-2 days, so it's definitely a weekend project.

This is the one big project that I want to complete on my car. Once that is done, I'll be perfectly happy with my car and will be able to move on with my life knowing I/we did something great and actually invented something that works well! Any who are interested in helping, have questions comments or observations, and wants to see this done, my number is 601-508-5345 feel free to txt or call me to discuss this or anything else.

:deep deep inhale:

With all of that being said, DISCUSS:::

 

ok so from what im understanding the sc is no longer going to be forcing the air into the engine but rather into the charge pipes through the ic then into the engine. if what i understand is right then DAMN thats going to be a lot of work but ill help out with what i can and it sounds like a good idea.

the m90 comes on both those grand prixs the gxp is a gtp with ram air. had a gtp loved it cracked a head and now i have the ss man i miss that car.

 

ill do anything i can to help...i can probably "procure" some materials from work and other assorted items we may need and i can also help with install just give me advanced notice and i can take leave for a couple days

 

its a damn good idea as i told you earlier man. just gettin it all done will be the problem. it is very doable thou and doin it would help out a ton on the heat soakin problem with the lsj.. everyone should know it would work.. if you dont know it will just think bout it for a minute..... ok long enough minute. a turbo uses an air-to-air IC to cool its air charge and a turbo gets 10 times hotter than any sc could ever think about gettin.. if you've ever got to see an egt gauge in a car or truck for that matter youd know that exhaust gases get over 1000*.. that bein said the exhaust goes through the turbo before it ever makes it to the sensor for an egt gauge and that just gives you an idea of just how hot the air charge comin out of a turbo can be. goin throu an air-to-air IC brings the air charge temp down a lot. so it should help the sc app. even better. just my thoughts on the whole idea.. lotus uses the same m62 on thier car with an air-to-air IC and you dont hear bout these problems with them so it obvisously helps.

 

Like Kevin said, this set up is basically the same exact set up you'd find on a turbocharged car, except our forced induction comes from the SC which is turned by the drive belt, unlike a turbo which is turned by exhaust gases...

A turbo forces air through the charge pipes and through the intercooler and then into the engine. The only problem they seem to have is vaccum leaks or blowing charge piping from running lots and lots of boost (because we all know turbo's can put out unlimited amounts of boost ha ha 15-20 psi isn't the icing on the cake for a turbo. that's just all the engine can handle).

I'm very confident that it'll work. Again like kevin said, the problem lies in actually getting it done. If it's alright with him, I'm gonna get his spare motor over here and get it up on an engine rack if we still have it. From there on out I'm gonna take measurements from my car and use that extra engine to mount everything and test fit stuff so I don't experience any down time with my car. It's not something I'll be able to produce over night, over a weekend, a week, or even a month. This will take a few months to get right. I'm not gonna throw all my spare time into it because I have more important things to worry about, but I'll definitely find time during the week or weekend to do a little here, do a little there. Unless some of you have no life. Any no lifer's out there? lol j/k

Oh yea and Rusty, I hope that little bit helps you understand forced induction a little better now. If you have any questions just ask...

Wait!!! Dan! What happened to the car? I'd like to grab that m90 off of it if at all possible... its too late for me to look for pictures of it, i'll have to do it tomorrow, but I wanted to see what it would look like so i could get a good idea of what would need to be done to make the m90 work.

 

i kept my stock one. i'm running trough both.
i read, that two is better than one.

and DOOD!! you got alot of work on your hands man. but kudos for the
idea. Cant wait to see this in action. i gotcha back lol

 

Well I went out to the practice course with the ion yesterday and got some video of me giving her hell..

Enjoy
http://video.kenblockracing.com/flas...&video_id=9183

 

didn't work

 

best video ever..........