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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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Dead coils....

So ive been looking at pictures of springs (H&R, Eibach, Progress, SSC, etc..) installed and I have noticed that in a picture install of the sportlines they have about 3 or 4 deadcoils in the front but what about the back. Can some of you guys that have any of these springs tell me if and how many deadcoils your car has in the front/back as well and what kind of spring too.

Im leaning towards the first three I mentioned up top more.

Oh yea these are deadcoils btw... the coils on a spring that lie againist each other not doing anything, see in the pic there are about 5-6 on the rear of a sportline. I believe the front have about 3-4....

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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 11:10 PM
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This is also referred to as 'coil bind'. It IS NOT good for the springs.
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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 11:12 PM
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i have the cheap zenn springs and i have 2 in the back none in the front
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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by damien
This is also referred to as 'coil bind'. It IS NOT good for the springs.
True, but there do it on there own so we have no choice but to live with it.

In a way I think these coils are for height. If you have a gap in the front of about an inch and you decide to cut one of those dead coils i dont think it will hurt. Im not going to try it though either. But if its just there doing nothing why not. oh well. For the back we have no choice but to leave it the way it is.
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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 11:25 PM
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I believe you are also correct. They might just be for added height, but then again why would the manufacters just not put a tad higher spring rate instead of stacking coils upon eachother. Maybe to keep the ride softer?
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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by damien
I believe you are also correct. They might just be for added height, but then again why would the manufacters just not put a tad higher spring rate instead of stacking coils upon eachother. Maybe to keep the ride softer?
I have no idea why they do that but on my golf I had H&R springs and I cut like 2 dead coils and still had like 3-4 left and it rode the same. That was my first car and it was an 87 so it was the test beater. So I ruled out sportlines and in between H&R or Progress. I want the lowest drop and yes I did searches and have seen all the pics but in a few pics the H&R look lower than the Progress and sometimes the other way around. Im thinking progress cause the price and the fact that it says 2 front/1.8 rear.

H&R, Progress, and Sportlines have my brain tired from all this searching and my eyes are killing me from looking at pics.
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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Trag
True, but there do it on there own so we have no choice but to live with it.

In a way I think these coils are for height. If you have a gap in the front of about an inch and you decide to cut one of those dead coils i dont think it will hurt. Im not going to try it though either. But if its just there doing nothing why not. oh well. For the back we have no choice but to leave it the way it is.
Never EVER cut your coils.

(Not saying you would, but for people on here that dont know)
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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 11:57 PM
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its a new car i dont think anyones dumb enough to do it
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by rallyyellow06
Never EVER cut your coils.

(Not saying you would, but for people on here that dont know)
Exactly, I just want to know why they do this... I did a search this hasn't been discussed before..
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 12:02 AM
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Exactly, I just want to know why they do this... I did a search this hasn't been discussed before..
its just a real cheap way to drop your car
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 12:05 AM
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So Progress or H&R?? Which is lower?? I read that Progress was lower.... Im going out to have a beer be back in an hour or so...
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 12:16 AM
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whats wrong with cutting your springs....I wouldn't do it personally but my best friend has a 69 firebird and he cut his looks tons better, rides like **** but looks good
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 12:31 AM
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^^Exactly, rides like ****..Quality issues
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 12:37 AM
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hell id do it if i owned acivic but that saw zall aint coming anywhere close to my cobalt
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 01:42 PM
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When you cut your coils you weaken them signifigantly. Plus shitty cuts and whatever else someone can **** up
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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do the tenzo's have dead coils as well?
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 02:07 PM
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Actually, that is not coil bind. That is progressive rate coiling.

If the whole spring was compressed equally, then that would be coil bind.

In this case (good picture by the way), the upper portion of the coil expands width-wise when the lower portion of the coil is compressed. It is designed that way rather specifically. In fact, on Eibachs, that section of the coil is wrapped in an rubber insulator to more freely allow the width-wise expansion.
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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I think the better question is do any of the aftermarket springs not have this?
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Edubs
I think the better question is do any of the aftermarket springs not have this?
For sure The sportlines do... Heres a pic of the front I found in the galleries.

This pic is the car jacked up


Heres the car lowered
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcent
Actually, that is not coil bind. That is progressive rate coiling.

If the whole spring was compressed equally, then that would be coil bind.

In this case (good picture by the way), the upper portion of the coil expands width-wise when the lower portion of the coil is compressed. It is designed that way rather specifically. In fact, on Eibachs, that section of the coil is wrapped in an rubber insulator to more freely allow the width-wise expansion.
awesome info...i was wondering about that myself.
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Old Dec 9, 2006 | 06:05 AM
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I want the lowest ride aswell without dropping 2000$ on a air ride,,finally what lowering spring drop the ss/sc as low..seen so many different pics and read so many threads with different opinions...whats the lowest i can safley go...thanx

TRUE NEVER CUT OR HEAT YOUR SPRINGS LOOKS GOOD BUT RIDES LIKE ****>>>
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Old Dec 11, 2006 | 11:48 AM
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Well this weekend I went to my friends shop and he happen to have the sportlines in stock so I bought them and put them on saturday afternoon. It rides great and dropped the car decent enough for me. Thats my first mod btw.... next is the wheel hop issue and tints.
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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 02:37 AM
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do the tenzo's have dead coils as well?
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