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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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First time doing brakes

So this is my first time changing my brakes (I'm getting help of course) but I'm wondering what's good in terms of pads? I heard ceramic leaves a lot less brake dust, is this true and are there any problems with them?

Also rotors, should I just keep the stock, cut the stock, or get new ones?

And finally, where is the best place to get these items and roughly how much do they cost?

Sorry for all the question, just wanna make sure I get the right stuff lol.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 03:52 PM
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ceramics are designed for low dust, low noise stopping, but do not offer the same "bite" as many other types of pads. If you are driving back and forth to work, they will be fine. If you take your car to the track on the weekend, or do some hard driving, look into some hawk's or EBC's.

Rotors are the same, if this is just a daily driver, cut the stocks (assuming they are thick enough), or replace them. If you want the look/performance of drilled/slotted rotors, then go for it. I see that turbo tech banner as your sig....try there, I bet Aaron can give you a good deal on some nice equipment.
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 04:18 PM
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NO NO NO on drilled rotors 1st off...

2nd what are you looking for in brakes? as papa john did say whether or not you want serious brakes or just A-B car brakes makes a difference...
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Old Feb 10, 2009 | 05:29 PM
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Yea drilled=NoNo Slotted are fine though
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by papa john
ceramics are designed for low dust, low noise stopping, but do not offer the same "bite" as many other types of pads. If you are driving back and forth to work, they will be fine. If you take your car to the track on the weekend, or do some hard driving, look into some hawk's or EBC's.

Rotors are the same, if this is just a daily driver, cut the stocks (assuming they are thick enough), or replace them. If you want the look/performance of drilled/slotted rotors, then go for it. I see that turbo tech banner as your sig....try there, I bet Aaron can give you a good deal on some nice equipment.
So what are the brands of ceramic that are good for daily driving, I don't do the track or anything like that as of now.

I'll probably do the slotted maybe next time around but just incase what's a good brand for those?

And what's wrong with drilled?
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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So what are the brands of ceramic that are good for daily driving, I don't do the track or anything like that as of now.

I'll probably do the slotted maybe next time around but just incase what's a good brand for those?

And what's wrong with drilled?
mine are drilled and slotted. no problems
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:07 PM
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drilled takes away mass which actually takes away the ability to dissipate heat...also where the holes are drilled serves as weak spots for the rotors....some people may never have a problem other may never have anything good....but show me one car in the time attack series or any major racing that has drilled holes...
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:09 PM
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i have the hawk hps pads and ebc slotted rotors, and damn, HUUUGGGEEEE difference over stock. highly recommended setup.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:10 PM
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i have the hawk hps pads and ebc slotted rotors, and damn, HUUUGGGEEEE difference over stock. highly recommended setup.
just add braided SS lines and badda bing awesome brakes
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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my stock rotors got pitted. probably from the shitty stock brake pads lol.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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stock rotors blow..
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by laserblue2006
drilled takes away mass which actually takes away the ability to dissipate heat...also where the holes are drilled serves as weak spots for the rotors....some people may never have a problem other may never have anything good....but show me one car in the time attack series or any major racing that has drilled holes...
the zr1, almost all porsches, ferrari's, etc. all come with drilled rotors from factory. these are supercars. why do they have drilled rotors? huh? i understand your reasoning for them being "weaker" but if they have tapered edges, they really dont crack
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 08:57 PM
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Hawk Performance Ceramics are very nice upgrade over stock.
You will NEED to get your rotors cut or replaced if you are using aftermarket pads.
I'd avoid any Ebay or similar type "house brand" brakes.

Stick with the big names, Brembo, EBC, DBA, Hawk, Perfomance Friction, etc....

Originally Posted by BLAZIN07SS
the zr1, almost all porsches, ferrari's, etc. all come with drilled rotors from factory. these are supercars. why do they have drilled rotors? huh? i understand your reasoning for them being "weaker" but if they have tapered edges, they really dont crack
Well to be painfully honest a large portion of the reason they are there is because consumers want them because they look cool/racy.

The ZR1, as well as a large portion of Ferraris, and Porsches that use drilled rotors dont have non-ferrous rotors, as a matter of fact they all use very similar brakes(Ferrari and Corvette actually use the same rotors, well the ZR1s are larger) Carbon Ceramic Matrix rotors. These rotors have the holes molded into them, there is no machining done to them to create strees risers, which is what causes cracks. You also dont cut CCM rotors, so there is no chance of creating these risers by servicing the brakes. CCM and ferrous rotors just simply cant be compared to each other.

The Z06 uses drilled ferrous rotors, they are junk. The CTSV can be had with drilled rotors, GM offers a high performance brake kit with blanks for best braking, the drilled ones arent meant for the track, Porsche states that the reason they drill rotors is o improve wet braking performance, thats it. DBA, Wilwood, and many others dont recommend drilled rotors for all out performance unless weight reduction is your key concern and replacing rotors more often isnt an issue.

Drilled rotors are for low to medium performance use and for looks.
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Maven
Hawk Performance Ceramics are very nice upgrade over stock.
You will NEED to get your rotors cut or replaced if you are using aftermarket pads.
I'd avoid any Ebay or similar type "house brand" brakes.

Stick with the big names, Brembo, EBC, DBA, Hawk, Perfomance Friction, etc....


agreed
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 11:13 PM
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Well to be painfully honest a large portion of the reason they are there is because consumers want them because they look cool/racy.

The ZR1, as well as a large portion of Ferraris, and Porsches that use drilled rotors dont have non-ferrous rotors, as a matter of fact they all use very similar brakes(Ferrari and Corvette actually use the same rotors, well the ZR1s are larger) Carbon Ceramic Matrix rotors. These rotors have the holes molded into them, there is no machining done to them to create strees risers, which is what causes cracks. You also dont cut CCM rotors, so there is no chance of creating these risers by servicing the brakes. CCM and ferrous rotors just simply cant be compared to each other.

The Z06 uses drilled ferrous rotors, they are junk. The CTSV can be had with drilled rotors, GM offers a high performance brake kit with blanks for best braking, the drilled ones arent meant for the track, Porsche states that the reason they drill rotors is o improve wet braking performance, thats it. DBA, Wilwood, and many others dont recommend drilled rotors for all out performance unless weight reduction is your key concern and replacing rotors more often isnt an issue.

Drilled rotors are for low to medium performance use and for looks.
interesting...i always knew that porsches, zr-1, ferrari's etc used them just didnt know about CCM
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Originally Posted by Maven
Hawk Performance Ceramics are very nice upgrade over stock.
You will NEED to get your rotors cut or replaced if you are using aftermarket pads.
I'd avoid any Ebay or similar type "house brand" brakes.

Stick with the big names, Brembo, EBC, DBA, Hawk, Perfomance Friction, etc....



Well to be painfully honest a large portion of the reason they are there is because consumers want them because they look cool/racy.

The ZR1, as well as a large portion of Ferraris, and Porsches that use drilled rotors dont have non-ferrous rotors, as a matter of fact they all use very similar brakes(Ferrari and Corvette actually use the same rotors, well the ZR1s are larger) Carbon Ceramic Matrix rotors. These rotors have the holes molded into them, there is no machining done to them to create strees risers, which is what causes cracks. You also dont cut CCM rotors, so there is no chance of creating these risers by servicing the brakes. CCM and ferrous rotors just simply cant be compared to each other.

The Z06 uses drilled ferrous rotors, they are junk. The CTSV can be had with drilled rotors, GM offers a high performance brake kit with blanks for best braking, the drilled ones arent meant for the track, Porsche states that the reason they drill rotors is o improve wet braking performance, thats it. DBA, Wilwood, and many others dont recommend drilled rotors for all out performance unless weight reduction is your key concern and replacing rotors more often isnt an issue.

Drilled rotors are for low to medium performance use and for looks.
thanks for the info! wasnt exactly sure about all this
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Old Feb 11, 2009 | 11:27 PM
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thanks for the info! wasnt exactly sure about all this
thanks for calling me out...lol...taught me something too...
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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What is the price difference of getting the stock rotors cut vs getting slotted rotors new?
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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it will be cheaper to just have them cut if they can be....but you wont gain any performance beyond what you would have had stock....

here is a link to really good slotted rotors:
http://www.ottperformance.com/Cobalt...duct_info.html

219 is a little steep if you are just looking to change the brakes as maintenence and not trying to gain anything
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 10:31 PM
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Yea, and I'd need 4 rotors on top of that lol. I'm leaning toward getting new slotted rotors but I don't wanna break the bank either seeing that I'm not going for hardcore performance lol.
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Originally Posted by laserblue2006
stock rotors blow..
they warp so easily
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Old Feb 12, 2009 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ducky22287
What is the price difference of getting the stock rotors cut vs getting slotted rotors new?
Getting your rotors cut is usually under $20 a rotor.......slotted rotors are usually a large amount more.
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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 10:19 AM
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slotted rotors are ~100 a piece....

so yes you are correct...but if you want to gain braking performance then its worth it....

if you are just doing a maintenance brake change then it not
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This might be a dum question but how long would slotted rotters last?

Also, could someone list the vendors that sell the pads and rotors. I rather not go through each individual vendor site to find them lol.

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subscribed.......brake job coming up for me also
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