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Old May 12, 2008 | 09:25 PM
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How many folks that dropped their cars notice a lot of extra steering wheel kickback over bumps and yumps?
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 03:25 AM
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I'm fairly new to the site and have been reading your posts I appreciate your level of knowledge and will be investing in some shims for my steering rack cause I am running sportline springs with eibach sway bars and bwoody adjustable endlinks and I thought I was feeling a lil weird input and my buddy whos a land rover jag tech even drove the car hard and couldn't understand what I was bitching about cause he thought it handles ten fold better than his mazda 3. Just curious if you have an idea how much I need to space to get it proper or at least ball park if not no worries I can expiriment. also I have an LSJ in my garage waiting on a cometic head gasket head studs and some other small stuff but I need to find a good turbo manifold for my car I don't like the cheap log style manifolds that are out there and I feel a stock lnf might not bolt up or flow as well as another. I saw you worked on the time attack cobalt that's awesome I love the color scheme wish it was mine! I really want a clean front lip or splitter too like what you guys probably made custom.
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobaltsky05
I'm fairly new to the site and have been reading your posts I appreciate your level of knowledge and will be investing in some shims for my steering rack cause I am running sportline springs with eibach sway bars and bwoody adjustable endlinks and I thought I was feeling a lil weird input and my buddy whos a land rover jag tech even drove the car hard and couldn't understand what I was bitching about cause he thought it handles ten fold better than his mazda 3. Just curious if you have an idea how much I need to space to get it proper or at least ball park if not no worries I can expiriment. also I have an LSJ in my garage waiting on a cometic head gasket head studs and some other small stuff but I need to find a good turbo manifold for my car I don't like the cheap log style manifolds that are out there and I feel a stock lnf might not bolt up or flow as well as another. I saw you worked on the time attack cobalt that's awesome I love the color scheme wish it was mine! I really want a clean front lip or splitter too like what you guys probably made custom.
No offence but many folks have novocaine up their backside and cant tell...the cobalt has a lot of torque steer which gets worse when you lower it. depending on the drop, the magic number is generally 10 mm. But you cant just shove a washer under the rack, the rack can move so the spacers that you can buy from OTTP in a week or so are made to locate the rack and space it right...

Just like the log turbo manifold, its best to do things right, although as you see Maven on this web site beating on folk, when it comes to steering and brakes, wheels and tires your life depends on doing the job right...its not so bad when the motor gives up, but when you lose steering or brakes you can get killed...thanks for your post and good luck with your LSJ turbo project, 06blackg85SS i think that is his forum name, is an expert on those monster motors...

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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 01:20 PM
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Ill have some bump steer spacers in my posession, hopefully on Tuesday, Ill install them for y'all on Wednesday hopefully and snap a few pics if your lucky.
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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Ill have some bump steer spacers in my posession, hopefully on Tuesday, Ill install them for y'all on Wednesday hopefully and snap a few pics if your lucky.
Would these help in a stock application?

Can you see my boner from where you are?



Look north...the TQ steer is insane...
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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sweet deal BUMP for exceptional expert knowledge most people don't know **** about their cars on here accept they want the stage 12 kit with twin turbos and nos. it's funny as hell I was going through some posts and someone started a thread saying how they were going to build there 2.2 cobalt and twin turbo it LMFAO
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
Would these help in a stock application?

Can you see my boner from where you are?



Look north...the TQ steer is insane...
Yo Steddy, I am gonna have to use your services sometime around the end of the month or into february. Going 5 lug, Ill need your help


















(to push brake pedal while i bleed brakes )
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
Would these help in a stock application?
Don't think so, the rack spacer is to correct/compensate for the tie rod angle in a lowered suspension.

However, the question I posted on other thread is if the spacer thickness varies depends on how much the car is being lowered. Does either qwik or Mav have that info?
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 02:38 PM
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Yo Steddy, I am gonna have to use your services sometime around the end of the month or into february. Going 5 lug, Ill need your help







(to push brake pedal while i bleed brakes )
I am good to go with that!

Just gimme a heads up.
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
I am good to go with that!

Just gimme a heads up.
make sure you do a security check for brake line cutting tools from all your help Maven, do you trust him?
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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Hell be inside the car, I dont let potentially contaminated DP workers touch my tools
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 09:45 PM
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my car follows every bump dip and imperfection and ... yump ... in the road. 06 LS, eibach prokit, enkei rs7s, and 225/40/R18 kumho SPTs
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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
Would these help in a stock application?

Can you see my boner from where you are?



Look north...the TQ steer is insane...
dont be a wuss drop your damn 4x4 giraffe TC and have Maven install the stuff. 250 for eibachs, plus spacers and a couple cases of beer you cheapskate quit posting for a minute and order this stuff up

Originally Posted by Sarbae
my car follows every bump dip and imperfection and ... yump ... in the road. 06 LS, eibach prokit, enkei rs7s, and 225/40/R18 kumho SPTs
josh OTTP try them you will like the result...

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Old Jan 3, 2009 | 11:28 PM
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I have them getting made right now guys. A few weeks out at most.
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobaltsky05
I am running sportline springs with eibach sway bars and bwoody adjustable endlinks .
While the spacers will definitely help with bump steer issues(wheel turning due to toe change from suspension movement) I have a feeling that your problem may be exaggerated by the Eibach front sway bar and Bwoody links.

Lowered or not bump steer spacers can be effective, rasing the rack a certain amount acts to raise the inner tie rod ends in an attempt to get the tie rod assemble to be parallel to the control arm.(there are multiple points at which zero bump steer{our goal} can occur and you could also create spacers for th outer tie rods if you were so inclined, but shimming the rack is a more elegant and easier solution )

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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
josh OTTP try them you will like the result...
awesome. this thread gets a big
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 11:32 AM
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I have them getting made right now guys. A few weeks out at most.
pm me thanks
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
dont be a wuss drop your damn 4x4 giraffe TC and have Maven install the stuff. 250 for eibachs, plus spacers and a couple cases of beer you cheapskate quit posting for a minute and order this stuff up



josh OTTP try them you will like the result...


************...one week you tell me not to because it will hurt handling, the next you tell me to do it.

I would need a couple cases of beer.

I have a set of FE3 springs, and someone who needs stock springs and will sell me sportlines for 100 bucks, that is TWO spring changes.

And then I would need to spend monies on these spacers, because if the torque steer gets worse...
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 01:27 PM
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************...one week you tell me not to because it will hurt handling, the next you tell me to do it.

I would need a couple cases of beer.

I have a set of FE3 springs, and someone who needs stock springs and will sell me sportlines for 100 bucks, that is TWO spring changes.

And then I would need to spend monies on these spacers, because if the torque steer gets worse...
steddy on fella bad language here.

1. dropping your car makes it look better. IMHO the eibachs also improve the handling. BUT your car is awesome the way it is.
2. as awesome as it is, it still qualifies as a Monster truck its so high off the ground.
3. DROP IT.
4. Put spacers in the rack.
5. Sell your FE3 springs to some unsuspecting forum guy.
6. Keep your giraffe springs for when you sell the car
7. sounds like you need to get 4 cases of beer.
8. what spacer? did we have two? pass me a beer. I got one spacer; wheres the other one
9. More beer.
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
steddy on fella bad language here.

1. dropping your car makes it look better. IMHO the eibachs also improve the handling. BUT your car is awesome the way it is.
2. as awesome as it is, it still qualifies as a Monster truck its so high off the ground.
3. DROP IT.
4. Put spacers in the rack.
5. Sell your FE3 springs to some unsuspecting forum guy.
6. Keep your giraffe springs for when you sell the car
7. sounds like you need to get 4 cases of beer.
8. what spacer? did we have two? pass me a beer. I got one spacer; wheres the other one
9. More beer.
How different are the SS/SC springs from the SS/NA?

I have a feeling a WTB thread is going to pop up soon

And more beer is always the answer!

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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 04:49 PM
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I dont really even drink, but if this is ANY indication of what Ive got in store for me on Sunday(and any further install days) I may well need a beer.
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Maven
Lowered or not bump steer spacers can be effective, rasing the rack a certain amount acts to raise the inner tie rod ends in an attempt to get the tie rod assemble to be parallel to the control arm.(there are multiple points at which zero bump steer{our goal} can occur and you could also create spacers for th outer tie rods if you were so inclined, but shimming the rack is a more elegant and easier solution )
So is the rack spacer one size fit all? or are there different spacers thickness for different applications?
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 05:14 PM
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theoretically yes one size does not fit all, but practically with stock cars one size spacer covers the ground pretty much okay...if it didnt i venture to guess most folks couldnt tell the difference; the improvement over stock is a good one, and fine tuning it to + or - a few thousandths of toe change isnt worth the effort on street cars with folks who check tire pressures once a month maybe....
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketpunch1221
So is the rack spacer one size fit all? or are there different spacers thickness for different applications?
Yes the spacers come in one "size"


Originally Posted by qwikredline
the improvement over stock is a good one, and fine tuning it to + or - a few thousandths of toe change isnt worth the effort on street cars with folks who check tire pressures once a month maybe....
Yeah a side to side tire pressure difference of 3psi will provide a far greater change in handling than would having the spacers available in multiple sizes......I doubt OTTP is going to offer them in any sizes other than what the racecars used for 3.5 years, Even if they did.....I wouldnt be inclined to take the time to measure my bumpsteer degrees/foot just to pick the closest spacer. If one size is good for The Champs.....one size is good for me.
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Old Jan 4, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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I dont really even drink, but if this is ANY indication of what Ive got in store for me on Sunday(and any further install days) I may well need a beer.
steddy will drive you to drink
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