Roll cage?
Autopower makes a weld in kit that I can weld in for you 
I believe the kit is like $500 for the U Weld kit.
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I believe the kit is like $500 for the U Weld kit.
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Hmm. Nick which one would be the cage for me? The "u weld"? I was looking for a cage more like the street one on that site...if you were to weld it on would you see the weld points? Any cutting of interior pieces?
You should consider that a roll cage/bar in a daily driver is actually rather dangerous. You MUST have a fixed back seat, and you MUST wear harnesses. The bars must also be covered with good (SFI approved) padding.
If you've ever been in a hard accident, you know that adjustable seats fold like cheap suits. They're meant to. They collapse backwards to help absorb the hit. If it's a proper roll bar/cage the cross bar on the main hoop will be right about where your noggin will hit. There's also a good chance you could leak your brains out on the main hoop itself.
If you wanna run with the bar and an approved SFI/FIA seat and harnesses, then that's fine. Anything less is stupid. Don't get me wrong, I've had multiple cars with cages. In the one that was still street legal, I would buckle up the harness every single time.
If you wanna run with the bar and an approved SFI/FIA seat and harnesses, then that's fine. Anything less is stupid. Don't get me wrong, I've had multiple cars with cages. In the one that was still street legal, I would buckle up the harness every single time.
If you've ever been in a hard accident, you know that adjustable seats fold like cheap suits. They're meant to. They collapse backwards to help absorb the hit. If it's a proper roll bar/cage the cross bar on the main hoop will be right about where your noggin will hit. There's also a good chance you could leak your brains out on the main hoop itself.
If you wanna run with the bar and an approved SFI/FIA seat and harnesses, then that's fine. Anything less is stupid. Don't get me wrong, I've had multiple cars with cages. In the one that was still street legal, I would buckle up the harness every single time.
If you wanna run with the bar and an approved SFI/FIA seat and harnesses, then that's fine. Anything less is stupid. Don't get me wrong, I've had multiple cars with cages. In the one that was still street legal, I would buckle up the harness every single time.
stop speaking asap...
You do NOT need a fixed back seat. Your head should not be anywhere near the main hoop unless your cage is designed to allow the roof to crush about a foot before actually making use of the cage.
You do not need a 4,5,6 point harness, if you roll over, your stock seatbelt will hold you in place fine if you wear it. Also have you ever tried to wear a harness while driving on the street? Go do it, then try and lean foward to look left or right.
Whoever said get a harness bar you are also wrong.. if you were to wear any harness on the street minus the roll cage, if you flipped over you would be stuck in an upright position which is bad if the roof collapses. Also bc it is rediculous to use a harness on the street for reasons stated above.
All that being said, unless you are doing over 100 mph every day ripping e-brakes or run quicker than an 11.99 you dont need a cage and would be a waste of money to do so.
If looks is in any way, shape, or form related to why you want a roll bar or cage, you should not be getting it.
I've unfortunately been in 2 crashes where the stock seat has folded/twisted/bent. Everything was stock safety though, so there were no major injuries. Stock seats are fine if you're using stock safety equipment. If you get a cage/bar, all bets are off. At that point, you need to disable your airbags too. It's a slippery slope.
The harness bar is also typically about a few inches back from the seat. When the (stock) seat buckles/bends/twists, there's a pretty good chance that it's also just about where your neck or head would hit. There's also the main hoop too. You need a proper fixed back seat and harnesses if you have a bar/cage.
If looks is in any way, shape, or form related to why you want a roll bar or cage, you should not be getting it.
I've unfortunately been in 2 crashes where the stock seat has folded/twisted/bent. Everything was stock safety though, so there were no major injuries. Stock seats are fine if you're using stock safety equipment. If you get a cage/bar, all bets are off. At that point, you need to disable your airbags too. It's a slippery slope.
If looks is in any way, shape, or form related to why you want a roll bar or cage, you should not be getting it.
I've unfortunately been in 2 crashes where the stock seat has folded/twisted/bent. Everything was stock safety though, so there were no major injuries. Stock seats are fine if you're using stock safety equipment. If you get a cage/bar, all bets are off. At that point, you need to disable your airbags too. It's a slippery slope.
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yaeh op....listen to wangspeed or you can pm me. ive been away for a few days so i havent been able to chime in here. wangspeeds pretty much hit the nail on the head so i wont add a huge ton of stuff here. if you want to get down to serious cages/rollbars do it right or dont even bother.
roll cages are ment to provide safety on closed race coarses. sure they can provide added safety on the street.....but mostly a roll bar is what i see being safer on the street. idk if you have even been in a car with a 10 point or more....can you see getting in a side collision or something...more times then none i guarentee you smack your head on the bar thats offly close...hense another reason why guys wear helmets when racing. i know in illinois(idk about other states) but roll cages/harness' are not dot approved. example.....the typical seatbelt in todays cars allow you to slip out if for what ever reason the car rolls and the roof starts to collapse where as having a harness' and stock seats or harness bar and driving around on the streets will keep you right in place and if the roof collapses in a roll over your more then likely going to break your neck because you will not fall out of the restraint. having a roll cage(not roll bar) usually will hold the roof in place and keep a driver safe unless there is some shady business in the weldign or **** poor design in the cage..
ill be honest with you op. if your doing a cage for looks and have no intention of closed coarse racing where safety is a huge area precaution then dont even bother. the cars as is without a cage can take a good hit. ive worked on plenty of cobalts and even the ones that have totaled due to major structual damage have never had a dead driver or passenger. if you dont need a cage dont put it in. they are not for looks. a harness bar is functunal BUT its a cheaper solution to getting a more racey look if thats what you really have to have in your car.
ex...my cage in the camaro.......this is more extreme then your talking about but still....
keep in mind these are just in progress pictures i still have a lot more bars to add before im finished.
roll cages are ment to provide safety on closed race coarses. sure they can provide added safety on the street.....but mostly a roll bar is what i see being safer on the street. idk if you have even been in a car with a 10 point or more....can you see getting in a side collision or something...more times then none i guarentee you smack your head on the bar thats offly close...hense another reason why guys wear helmets when racing. i know in illinois(idk about other states) but roll cages/harness' are not dot approved. example.....the typical seatbelt in todays cars allow you to slip out if for what ever reason the car rolls and the roof starts to collapse where as having a harness' and stock seats or harness bar and driving around on the streets will keep you right in place and if the roof collapses in a roll over your more then likely going to break your neck because you will not fall out of the restraint. having a roll cage(not roll bar) usually will hold the roof in place and keep a driver safe unless there is some shady business in the weldign or **** poor design in the cage..
ill be honest with you op. if your doing a cage for looks and have no intention of closed coarse racing where safety is a huge area precaution then dont even bother. the cars as is without a cage can take a good hit. ive worked on plenty of cobalts and even the ones that have totaled due to major structual damage have never had a dead driver or passenger. if you dont need a cage dont put it in. they are not for looks. a harness bar is functunal BUT its a cheaper solution to getting a more racey look if thats what you really have to have in your car.
ex...my cage in the camaro.......this is more extreme then your talking about but still....
keep in mind these are just in progress pictures i still have a lot more bars to add before im finished.
I would do things differently the next time I get a cage built, but here's one of my old cages, in one of my old race cars.
There are a lot of metal bars that you can hit. Mine was a basic custom cage too, nothing too extravagant. If you aren't running a fixed back seat, it has to be braced. Stock seats are meant to bend and twist in a wreck.
There are a lot of metal bars that you can hit. Mine was a basic custom cage too, nothing too extravagant. If you aren't running a fixed back seat, it has to be braced. Stock seats are meant to bend and twist in a wreck.
There's a cage in this car too, my old E30 M3, but I don't have any interior shots, and I'm betting none of you can get past looking at my ex-roommate. I think this cage was better designed, though I left out the door bars since it was a street legal car. I never turned it into a dedicated track only car. It was just a track toy. Loved the OMP seats though.
