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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 02:58 AM
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why don't you just buy maintenence things like oil filters or cabin air filters or supercharger oil and other various things like that?
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Billig ss/sc
^^holy crap.

Anyway, I thought the Brembo's wouldn't clear the ss/sc rims?
good reason to get the ss/tc rims...
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
I know they are drilled for off gassing as well.

Slotted do the same thing, but better, with less surface area taken away.

The big big big reason rotors are drilled is to save weight.
er no. That big big reason of yours aaron'ed up buddy...sorry (steddy on buddy!)
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
Drilled 11 inch rotors are pointless.
Now when you start talking about 13+ you actually save some weight, but lose pad life, braking stability, rotor strength, 'bite' etc.
I agree, Ill go so far as to added that all stock replacement type drilled rotors are inferior as compared to a like quality slotted only rotor.

Originally Posted by RBC
You do know it is for more than just weight don't you?
These days it is nearly entirely for weight savings when it comes to high quality race rotors, the manufacturers even say so. On the street then only point of drilled rotors is to make it LOOK like youve got fancy race rotors(and again, some of the manufacturers even point this out)
Originally Posted by RBC
A cross drilled rotor yes in some way reduces weight as anything you take material out of, but the main purpose is to allow the gas to escape and not interfere with the surface area and allow more gas out and more air through and allow more cooling. And yes if you buy cheap rotors they do tend to "crack" but the "cracking" is avoided with by purchasing most top quality rotors.
As far as aiding in outgassing, etc... well thats also true, but youre forgetting why it was originally done.....its easy to do, machining slots its relatively new, drilling holes was once the only way to keep pad gasses from building up a boundary layer and stopping you from , stopping. Drilling causes cracks, they knew it back then they no it now, drilling reduces mass and swept area(by as much as 30% depending on pattern) they knew it back then they know it now, drilling as a bad idea for street rotors, they knew it back then, they know it now. Yes drilled rotors "can" cool down faster because of their larger surface area....problem is, is that they heat up much faster too because of their reduce mass. As far as cracking goes, it comes with drilled rotors, period. All ferrous rotors will crack if drilled, theres nothing you can do about.



Originally Posted by RBC
No no it is not
then why wont you find drilled rotors as the main stay of many(any?) high performance/racing brake companies product line? Whether youre talking about Wilwood, Brembo, Alcon, Performance Friction, EBC, etc..... none of these companies recommend drilled rotors for street duty, some of them flat out tell you that drilled rotors are weight reduction ONLY, others have straight up said the only reason they offer drilled street rotors is because so many people want the "look" of race brakes.

Even in the racing world the place youre most likely to find drilled rotors is on every light cars, or vehicles that dont run on asphalt(dirt modifieds) so that there is less place for debris to buildup on rotors.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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well the reason for the upgrade wasnt that the brakes I have now arnt very good it because i was looking to upgrade them, look better and they are very nice!!!
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by krazycobalt
Holy **** i just went down to the "stealership" haha and the Brembo front brakes are $609.00 a piece haha CRAZY
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I would have thought that they're gonna be a bit pricey because they're Brembos...If the swap can be done(I'm sure it can, you just have to watch out for the wheel clearance) You have to use the Brembo Calipers and Rotors. So it's gonna cost no matter where you get them. But they look good.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Maven
I agree, Ill go so far as to added that all stock replacement type drilled rotors are inferior as compared to a like quality slotted only rotor.


These days it is nearly entirely for weight savings when it comes to high quality race rotors, the manufacturers even say so. On the street then only point of drilled rotors is to make it LOOK like youve got fancy race rotors(and again, some of the manufacturers even point this out)

As far as aiding in outgassing, etc... well thats also true, but youre forgetting why it was originally done.....its easy to do, machining slots its relatively new, drilling holes was once the only way to keep pad gasses from building up a boundary layer and stopping you from , stopping. Drilling causes cracks, they knew it back then they no it now, drilling reduces mass and swept area(by as much as 30% depending on pattern) they knew it back then they know it now, drilling as a bad idea for street rotors, they knew it back then, they know it now. Yes drilled rotors "can" cool down faster because of their larger surface area....problem is, is that they heat up much faster too because of their reduce mass. As far as cracking goes, it comes with drilled rotors, period. All ferrous rotors will crack if drilled, theres nothing you can do about.




then why wont you find drilled rotors as the main stay of many(any?) high performance/racing brake companies product line? Whether youre talking about Wilwood, Brembo, Alcon, Performance Friction, EBC, etc..... none of these companies recommend drilled rotors for street duty, some of them flat out tell you that drilled rotors are weight reduction ONLY, others have straight up said the only reason they offer drilled street rotors is because so many people want the "look" of race brakes.

Even in the racing world the place youre most likely to find drilled rotors is on every light cars, or vehicles that dont run on asphalt(dirt modifieds) so that there is less place for debris to buildup on rotors.
I have personally never ran drilled rotors on a full street car. I have used just slotted, just drilled, and a combination on my cars that were more so auto cross cars than street cars. In my experience I have never had a single set crack on me. I know they can and will because I have seen it from people that buy the bargain basement rotors for cheap. I spent the extra money and got bought the better quality rotors and they seem to work out for ME. The ones that seemed to work the best for me were the combination. Allot of people have had problems with them but they worked fine for me and I was really hard on my breaks auto crossing as most people are. It a little more complicated than picking up a drill and putting wholes in a piece of metal. I never said they didn't save weight but that is not the only reason they are out there. I know its rotating mass but there is really not even a HUGE difference in weight savings between the two.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RBC
I never said they didn't save weight but that is not the only reason they are out there. I know its rotating mass but there is really not even a HUGE difference in weight savings between the two.
My point isnt that they only save weight, obviously they can help today in the same way they helped in years past....my point is that there really isnt a need for them for really any of us on this forum and in my opinion the potential drawbacks outweigh the potential benefits. I know that all things racing doesnt translate directly to the street, but if the average production based road racer doenst need them, why do you besides looks?

If you need them for looks, I understand, I just dont agree. Thats whats cool about liking something, just because you do, doesnt mean I have to.....
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Maven
My point isnt that they only save weight, obviously they can help today in the same way they helped in years past....my point is that there really isnt a need for them for really any of us on this forum and in my opinion the potential drawbacks outweigh the potential benefits. I know that all things racing doesnt translate directly to the street, but if the average production based road racer doenst need them, why do you besides looks?

If you need them for looks, I understand, I just dont agree. Thats whats cool about liking something, just because you do, doesnt mean I have to.....
agreed when my a***ning rotors arrive i will let you know fitment issues
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
agreed when my a***ning rotors arrive i will let you know fitment issues
There better not be any a****ing fitment issues.

You should see them tomorrow if the man in Brown was telling me the truth.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by qwikredline
er no. That big big reason of yours aaron'ed up buddy...sorry (steddy on buddy!)
Oh cmon that was too a***n far
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
Oh cmon that was too a***n far
Dont hold it against him, hes waiting for new rotors......
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by steddy2112
Oh cmon that was too a***n far
steddy on, do you live far from Maven? just wonderin'....that big brown truck well i will be out of the office when they come tomorrow. So it will be a big pickle surprise thursday
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