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Old May 27, 2008 | 01:33 PM
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Spring question

Before anyone busts my *****, I have searched thoroughly through the forums and need to know a few simple questions.


Today I am hopefully installing my Sportlines on my 2.2.

My question to you guys is, first off, how long am I looking at time wise for a spring change out?

Second, I just had an alignment done to my car, but the tires need to be rotated. Will a tire rotation affect my alignment along with new springs on the car?


thanks for all the help.

Also any pointers for a smoother install on the springs would be helpful since it's just me and a buddy putting them on.

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Old May 27, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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tip ...break the top bolt in the center of your front struts loose before you take em off...also you need an external spring compressor (rent at any auto store)....its all self explanatory as you go ...the rears take a whole 20mins if that....an the fronts take a little longer since your taking the springs off the struts an puttin a different spring on....cut bump stop if you wish..(only 1 rib)....also apply grease where pieces may squeak or rub...and you will want to use a pneumatic/air gun...otherwise prepare for a rough installation
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Old May 27, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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tip ...break the top bolt in the center of your front struts loose before you take em off...also you need an external spring compressor (rent at any auto store)....its all self explanatory as you go ...the rears take a whole 20mins if that....an the fronts take a little longer since your taking the springs off the struts an puttin a different spring on....cut bump stop if you wish..(only 1 rib)....also apply grease where pieces may squeak or rub...and you will want to use a pneumatic/air gun...otherwise prepare for a rough installation
Thank you for the tips.

Why would I need to use a Air gun? I have one, just curious?
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Old May 27, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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well when you take the one nut off the cv join from the strut....the cv join spins..if you have an air gun you keep blippin the trigger an the nut comes off an no need to figure out how to hold the cv joint..otherwise i've no idea how you'd hold the joint from spinning....thats the main problem i came across..luckily we had a air gun ...plus the center bolt on the strut that you need to break loose is easier with an air gun or a bigggg breaker bar
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Old May 27, 2008 | 01:46 PM
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when you finish them you will need an alignment. if not immediately soon. it will cause uneven wear on the tires.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 01:55 PM
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that and for a proper alignment there is a part on the strut that connects to the hub that needs to be drilled out a little bit to all for a certain tweek i can't remembe which. i had my brother do it it all for me in the shop. and everyone i've talked to even the guy who does all the lowering and such recommends this part.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 02:33 PM
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that and for a proper alignment there is a part on the strut that connects to the hub that needs to be drilled out a little bit to all for a certain tweek i can't remembe which. i had my brother do it it all for me in the shop. and everyone i've talked to even the guy who does all the lowering and such recommends this part.
I believe you are reffering to the cam bolts. I already have those on my car.


I hope this is a smooth install.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LamboW9
well when you take the one nut off the cv join from the strut....the cv join spins..if you have an air gun you keep blippin the trigger an the nut comes off an no need to figure out how to hold the cv joint..otherwise i've no idea how you'd hold the joint from spinning....thats the main problem i came across..luckily we had a air gun ...plus the center bolt on the strut that you need to break loose is easier with an air gun or a bigggg breaker bar
that's not the cv joint. that's the strut. the cv joint is at the end of the axle.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 02:38 PM
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either or..i couldnt remember wat its called...but it spins...an its the bolt that goes to the axle..you cant really grab it with anything....jus trust me an use an air gun...lifes easier
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Old May 27, 2008 | 02:42 PM
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you're going to confuse him, because you're usng all the wrong words here. you shouldn't be touching any nuts on the axle for springs at all. what you're talking about is called the top strut bolt.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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no thats not wat spins ....lower part where you start disconnecting the strut brackets off the one bolt that comes thru spins with the nut....he'll know it when he gets to it
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Old May 27, 2008 | 02:46 PM
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you mean the stabilizer bar? if so, and you don't have an airgun, you can get a wrench behind the bar to stop it from spinning. or, a small pair of vice grips will work.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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prolly wat it is...see you knew which one i was talkin bout...hehe...he will too....an air gun is jus easier....you blipp it an the the nut comes right off
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Old May 27, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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Thanks for the help guys.

If I need help when I get there, I am sure I will be running to the computer. lol
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Old May 27, 2008 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AZCobalt19
Thanks for the help guys.

If I need help when I get there, I am sure I will be running to the computer. lol
i've done springs many, many times on the cobalt. if you run into problems pm me.

one strong piece of advice is to go very, very easy on the top suspension mount bolts that stick into the engine bay. they only get tightened to about 10-15 ft pounds, which is hand tight with a 1/4" drive. with a 3/8" drive, as SOON as you feel resistance, you're done. i would not attempt this with a 1/2" drive, because they snap like nothing.

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Old May 27, 2008 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by D4u2s0t
i've done springs many, many times on the cobalt. if you run into problems pm me.

one strong piece of advice is to go very, very easy on the top suspension mount bolts that stick into the engine bay. they only get tightened to about 10-15 ft pounds, which is hand tight with a 1/4" drive. with a 3/8" drive, as SOON as you feel resistance, you're done. i would not attempt this with a 1/2" drive, because they snap like nothing.
My only worry is tonight I will be installing them and will constantly be worried about alignment.

A few months back I had uneven tire wear and went to an alignment shop and had the cam bolts put in to correct the camber and toe.


After doing further research, I have discovered that after installing the springs, I'll need to offset the front and back??


As well after looking at the directions, I need to cut the front bump stop trim 33mm off the bottom, and I need to cut 13mm of the rear bump stop trim.

What is the best and easiest way to do this?

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Old May 27, 2008 | 03:50 PM
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i havent had my car aligned yet! haha Ive had the sportlines, h&r and now coilovers.....I wore down one pair of tires becuz i slammed the front and was doing burnouts everywhere lol
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Old May 27, 2008 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PlaysWitCars
i havent had my car aligned yet! haha Ive had the sportlines, h&r and now coilovers.....I wore down one pair of tires becuz i slammed the front and was doing burnouts everywhere lol
But other than that, how was your tire wear?

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Old May 27, 2008 | 04:19 PM
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i cut mine with a steak knife the bumpstops are just made of rubber, can probably use scissors, or a regular ole kitchen knife if you don't have a saw. even if you need an allignment, it's not something that would be required immediately. put them on, wait for them to settle, and THEN t ake them to a trusted shop to see if they even need to be aligned. some members find the allignment to be fine after springs.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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Ok thanks man. I have a trusted shop here in Mesa that I prefer.

Since I have to cut a certain width off, do I have to measure is, or are there grooves in the bump stops that show where to cut?
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Old May 27, 2008 | 04:42 PM
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for the rear, cut at the ridge. you'll see what i mean when you have it out. i've never cut the fronts, and have never had a problem.
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Old May 27, 2008 | 06:44 PM
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ok cool
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Old May 29, 2008 | 12:07 PM
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I have a 2.2 that i am going to put ss/sc springs on i have read that the drop can be upto about an inch can any one confirm this? and would you guys suggest i get adjustable cambers for that little bit of a drop? i'll be getting an alingment no matter what.. or would it better to put the springs on then take for an alignment and see if they suggest adjustable cambers?
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Old May 29, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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you won't need adjustable cambers...the nice thing about s/c springs is most of them when they are taken off they were on long enuff to actually have settled...so you will see if you need to align it...i put my tenzo R's on my s/c an they are pretty ok so far.....springs on a 2.2 make a world of difference from wat i hear but i don't kno if anythings different..i don't believe it is but you will prolly need an alignment
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Old May 29, 2008 | 08:30 PM
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how much does it cost to get a full alignment, and can pretty much any auto shop do it on a cobalt or not?
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