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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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well i think both cars are great but im am trying to distinguish the exact diffrences between the 2...
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by celicacobalt
well i think both cars are great but im am trying to distinguish the exact diffrences between the 2...
I think it's going to be kind of hard to get EXACT differences here because we don't have the build specs for each car. That kind of information might be more readily available in a service manual or something of that nature. The easiest are engine and transmission because those are pretty straightforward, the suspension is tricky because the only thing I can find is that the SC has "lightweight components" and stiffer springs, lower ride height, etc., but no specific details on what the components are and if they're interchangable with the 2.4. Obviously the easiest thing you can do to improve handling is change tires, but you can also wait for the aftermarket to get stronger and then go with adjustables on all 4 corners, then you can tune the suspension for what you need in the given situation - stiffer for track, softer for street.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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this is true, oh well so ill just put on all the suspension products i can get onto this car and im sure it will handle very well when im done with it, on those eibachs though is it only the 2.0 that gets lowered 0 in the front?
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by celicacobalt
this is true, oh well so ill just put on all the suspension products i can get onto this car and im sure it will handle very well when im done with it, on those eibachs though is it only the 2.0 that gets lowered 0 in the front?
Please tell me that you are not just gonna throw parts at it until it handles well...suspensions are a system. Please plan your mods properly. Trust me, I know. I have installed plenty of suspensions on cars where the only thing stock is the spindles. Unless the suspension components compliment each other, you will have an ill handling sports car. FWIW.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by celicacobalt
this is true, oh well so ill just put on all the suspension products i can get onto this car and im sure it will handle very well when im done with it, on those eibachs though is it only the 2.0 that gets lowered 0 in the front?
Yes, that's true for the Eibach Pro Kit and the 2.0, it does not lower it at all in the front.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 10:42 PM
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Please tell me that you are not just gonna throw parts at it until it handles well...suspensions are a system. Please plan your mods properly. Trust me, I know. I have installed plenty of suspensions on cars where the only thing stock is the spindles. Unless the suspension components compliment each other, you will have an ill handling sports car. FWIW.
BlwnGP is very wise, listen to him (or her, don't want to make any assumptions). Suspension is best done in small steps and with the big picture in mind. Do one step at a time, that way if something doesn't mesh you should be able to pinpoint what it is and fix it or replace it. I started with a strut bar. Later I'll probably go with an anti-roll kit. Then way down the road probably do adjustables (hopefully Tein). But I will know exactly what each part has done for the handling of the car.

Not to say you CAN'T do it all in one step, you certainly can if you know exactly what you're doing and exactly what the result needs to be.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 10:58 PM
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Nobody said anythign about the car as a whole beign lighter ... the suspension components are lighter ..

dont turn this into a SS vs SS/SC argument (it wont be pretty) ...your allways tring to aggresivly defend the 2.4 ....I get it becasue you own one but some perspective is allways good

suspension componets lighter...gotcha. Yeah I am an aggressive defender of the 2.4L SS just like you guys that love to slam it. Still a great car, for a great price that delivers great performance that shames alot of other SS cars Chevy made. And yes I know the S/C Ss is faster ect---not bad for my perspective.
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 11:50 PM
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wow! This post blew up. lol.

The SS n/a is most definately a much better suspension than the base models. The SS n/a has the 5 lug hubs, and alot of the s/c components in some form. I mean, sure, you gotta keep the best stuff on the s/c to make it special. But after having my FE3 on my n/a... I wouldn't do half the stuff in a base model that I do in my FE3.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 12:26 PM
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well im not gonna go crazy on suspension just strut bars , sways springs shocks and ill see how it does from there if it needs something else ill figure it out but im sure the basics i listed will be nothing but an improvement
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by celicacobalt
well im not gonna go crazy on suspension just strut bars , sways springs shocks and ill see how it does from there if it needs something else ill figure it out but im sure the basics i listed will be nothing but an improvement
That's really all you need, hell just stiffer springs/shocks can make a big difference.
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 12:59 PM
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thats what i was thinking i just want the cobalt to be on par with the celica and ill be happy
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Old Nov 21, 2005 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by celicacobalt
thats what i was thinking i just want the cobalt to be on par with the celica and ill be happy
The biggest thing is eliminating body roll, cause that's still a minor problem in the 2.0s, though for comparison:

My Cavi:



My SS:



It's hard to tell exactly the difference because the pictures are at vastly different angles, but the body roll in the SS is NOTHING compared to the Cavi. Seriously though, with some sway bars and stiffer shocks/springs it should be able to eliminate most of that, plus when I get lightweight 17s on it that i like, that will help immensely too with the handling.
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 10:03 AM
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sounds good then but i am gonna get the turbo kit first then i have to do my tranny internals since the auto i htese cars breaks at like numbers above 200 i belive then after those 2 things i will do most of the suspension
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Old Nov 22, 2005 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by celicacobalt
sounds good then but i am gonna get the turbo kit first then i have to do my tranny internals since the auto i htese cars breaks at like numbers above 200 i belive then after those 2 things i will do most of the suspension
Double check the numbers on the auto...200 is pretty damn low, especially when the Ecotecs are pretty popular engines to turbo, I would think they'd put a pretty heavy duty tranny in them. If you mainly want the car for the drag strip, the SS n/a suspension would be plenty good enough, but if you get into autocross or road racing, then yeah you're going to need to start upgrading.
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 01:58 PM
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well my main interest is the drag strip but i like nice tight handling for the street as well
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