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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 12:54 PM
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big tuning problem

my tuner and i cant figure out whats wrong. my car with a cai and 3 inch pulley made 231whp at 6krpms making 12.5 pounds boost.

i got the zzp header downpipe put it on broke it in got 42#injectors and dynoed the car again and made 237 hp at 7krpm and 15 pounds boost. we tried everything known to man but can seem to find out where the power is? any ideas or any more info needed please ask and please help the car has a bottleneck somewhere and i dont know where. we played with the timing and saw no improvement. we messed with hptuners reflashing everything going back to stock updating it just wouldnt change the outcome.

my two suggestions were the cai was on the car when i got it and has a crush point. the crush point might not have limited the car with only 12 psi boost but now that its revving higher and needs more air it might be a slight prob. the other one is i drive the car pretty low in the rpm band and i could have bogged up the new cat. i just dont know and its driving me crazy. the car has a ton more power in it and it just doesnt seem to make it
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:00 PM
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those arent bad numbers on a 3.0 pulley
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:04 PM
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how could i only gain 7hp with 2 more pounds of boost and the zzpheader down pipe combo ive seen many people gain more with just the header downpipe think 231 was good for before but now id expect at least 245
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:08 PM
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all im seeing is u have a 3.0 pulley..u added a header and dp and 42lb injectors did i miss something? the high numbers u got before (since im guessing it was on stock injectors) was because u were running lean as hell and now ur suppling alot of fuel which is making u slugish...tell ur tuner to lean u up and i recommend u get a wideband
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:10 PM
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beat me to it raven, he must have been really lean before, lean out, add some timing, and giver ****
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:14 PM
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it did lean out a bit before but thats why we left the rev limiter at 6k now with more fuel it runs right so we raised it to 7k... still within reason. so why didnt i gain any power from the header downpipe?
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:16 PM
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more boost does not always = more power

you should loose boost when you runa different header and dp to

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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:18 PM
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more boost does not always = more power

you should loose boost when you runa different header and dp to
what he said...and u may have got alot of power from the header and dp but since u richened it up it took away some of the power u had before..so u subtracted some by adding the injectors than added some with header/dp
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:20 PM
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so the header downpipe did nothing cause i richened up the af... so i also have a meth kit on there and that only gained me 10hp or so. so why isnt that getting me more hp
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:22 PM
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your tuner is not good
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:23 PM
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so the header downpipe did nothing cause i richened up the af... so i also have a meth kit on there and that only gained me 10hp or so. so why isnt that getting me more hp
rich = no bueno man...meth isnt a huge power adder...its more for cooling purposes but u can use it as a octane booster also which will allow u to run leaner and add more timing without knock...whos ur tuner? u need to punch him in the ******* nutts
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:24 PM
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you have meth. full exhaust and only put down 237?

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you should LOSE boost, not gain. something isn't happy in the exhaust.
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:25 PM
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you have meth. full exhaust and only put down 237?

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you should LOSE boost, not gain. something isn't happy in the exhaust.
yea i was thinking clogged cat but being so new i dunno
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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you guys have any suggestions to try diff things to make power
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:33 PM
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lean out your afr, run more timing. Nothing is wrong with the car 15psi is quite normal for a 3.0 pulley
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:35 PM
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lean out your afr, run more timing. Nothing is wrong with the car 15psi is quite normal for a 3.0 pulley
what he said..but what i was saying lsj was he shouldnt have jumped 3 psi from adding a header and downpipe..
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i run 15 psi on a 3.06 pulley right now.

i know how to make power in your car. like 260+ fwhp kinda power, but you're no where near me. so im of no use
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Raven SS
what he said..but what i was saying lsj was he shouldnt have jumped 3 psi from adding a header and downpipe..
yeah i know something was not right in the first place
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:40 PM
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i jumped 3psi from running the engine higher in revs from 6-7k. my tuner is good but the car is being crazy. we were trying everything to figure out whats wrong and nothing changed with the way the car ran.
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:41 PM
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i jumped 3psi from running the engine higher in revs from 6-7k. my tuner is good but the car is being crazy. we were trying everything to figure out whats wrong and nothing changed with the way the car ran.
its supercharged not a turbo...boost is instantanitly(sp)
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:42 PM
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you don't gain that much more boost from 6k to 7k. what kind of dyno is this on? numbers are not everything man if the car feels good who cares.
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:46 PM
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it did lean out a bit before but thats why we left the rev limiter at 6k now with more fuel it runs right so we raised it to 7k... still within reason. so why didnt i gain any power from the header downpipe?
probably because your running a stock catback?

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i jumped 3psi from running the engine higher in revs from 6-7k. my tuner is good but the car is being crazy. we were trying everything to figure out whats wrong and nothing changed with the way the car ran.
thats not possible, a 3" should run in the 14psi range give or take elevation.

running to 7 k wont make it boost more, it will just hold that boost longer.

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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:46 PM
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stock catbacks not that bad i trap 108 on my stock catback car
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lsjwannabe
stock catbacks not that bad i trap 108 on my stock catback car
im not saying its bad, im saying that it would lessen the amount a new downpipe could offer in terms of power over a full 2.5 or 3"
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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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i know what your saying man just giving you **** lol
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